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i just bought a new hdd
and i wanted to know how i can backup everything and restore them on the new hdd.
(withouth using 3rd party programs)

my biggest concern is restoring it because there is no os on the new hdd.

so can anyone guide me through this

(my current os on the old hdd is windows 8)
 

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just didn't want to install anything, but it seem my windows doesn't have a back-up option so i have no choice.
can you name one program that's trustworthy

also how will i be able to restore everthing onto my new hdd
 

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ok 'll hav a look and how do i restore everything on my new hdd (which doesn't have a OS)
can i restore everthing without windows installed in the hdd?
 


Your NOT restoring, what your doing is MIGRATING / Moving from your OLD HD to NEW HD.
So you have two paths here,
1) Use the OneDrive Wizard and FAQ to make sure all your DATA (not programs) is on the OneDrive (up to 30GB) so no matter what ever happens to your PC / Windows you data is automatically synch/restored from the Online Drive (OneDrive).
Then remove old drive, install new drive, insert SYSTEM RESTORE DVD, let it install the FACTORY (i.e. when you first took the computer out of the box) IMAGE to the new drive, go through all 200 patchs, go to Microsoft Store install Windows 8.1, then do the normal Windows Update to get Windows 8.1 Update installed, THEN manually install your antivirus, games, etc. During all this OneDrive will PULL DOWN and 'restore' your files to the computer.
2) Use a 3rd party program to ATTEMPT (some really don't work well with W8/8.1/8.1U) to MIRROR IMAGE from the OLD HDD to the NEW HDD usually with the NEW HDD connected to the USB port with a USB to SATA cable. Then swap drives out, when your sure new HDD works well wipe old drive and now you have a external drive to run BACKUP (just of Windows and its settings, not your DATA) to.
 

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can a moderator undo this chosen solution, i accidentally clicked it, i still haven't done it.

i still have a couple of questions.
first i don't have a system restore dvd, but i heard i can do something similar with usb, is that true?
and i don't have usb to sata cable.

isn't there a way to just copy everything
then placing the new hdd (without os) in the laptop and then restoring everything, without sata cables or other stuff?

 


Okay we are running into alot of problems here with what you said, and I will try to walk you through here, but your gonna have to face there will be extra cost out of pocket here for what you want to achieve. So let's break this down;

1) Is this a Dell, Gateway, etc. (OEM) Computer you bought at the store or a 'Self Built' that you have Windows DVD sitting to oneside?
2) If this is a OEM, you need to look in the maker's folders under START (the Orb) >Programs.. so under DELL or HP, there will be some additional tools, including CREATE RESTORE DVDs (which it said to do when you first ever turned on the computer). If you can't find it there, then try the added 'Resource' app that is pretty 'dumb easy' talking about making backups, checking for updates, etc. If you STILL can't find anything like that then type CREATE FACTORY RESTORE and again the wizard will help you. In all cases the point here is to make the DVD of Windows, and if it is a OEM, all the drivers, etc. just like when you first ever turned it on.
NOTE: WORST CASE JUST GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, PUT IN your computer information to look up your computer and ORDER a set of RESTORE DVDs.
3) If this is a Self Built, then you should have your DVD in hand and license, you need to get out all the other programs you installed and set them to one side.

NOTE: IF YOU HAVE NO COPIES OF WINDOWS AT ALL - THEN YOU NEED TO BUY A COPY. Tom's Hardware does NOT support pirated copies of software.

4) If you try and REPLICATE your drive, you need someway to get it from AS IT IS NOW to WHERE YOU WANT IT NEXT, that is what the USB/SATA cable is for. You would run software on your PC while IN Windows / as a BootCD, it would then copy EVERY BIT from OLD HD to NEW HD, and takes a long while to do it this way, but makes a EXACT COPY of one drive to the other. With Windows Vista thru 8.1Update this hasn't been very reliable due to many new security enhancement and FAILS more times then works.
5) NO you can't '"copy and past" all the 'stuff' on your OLD HD to the NEW HD, then install it and 'restore' everything else. ANY RESTORE / INSTALL WIPES THE NEW DRIVE, and even if it didn't it wont' "put back" everything the way it was, it would look at the COPIES as 'some weird bunch of stuff I have no clue about' and ignore it. AGAIN what you asking for is #4.
6) BEST PRACTICE WAS to run Windows Easy Transfer (Windows Xp, Vista, 7) to BACKUP your wallpaper, documents, icons, etc. to a external drive. Install New HDD, use FACTORY RESTORE CDs to restore the computer THE FIRST TIME EVER turned on. Get it up to date with all patches fixes, then install the added software (This is called a CLEAN image) then BACKUP this WORKING IMAGE. Run WEI again and now restore stuff back 'just like before'.
Windows 8/8.1/8.1Update REMOVES this WEI backup feature, the new process is to instead put all your 'data' you want on the ONEDRIVE, the Microsoft LIVE! Web-based drives storage (up to 30GB) for all your 'stuff' (music, videos, pics, documents). Do the same other steps for swapping the HDD, FACTORY RESTORE, etc. BUT when you 'login' to your factory restored Windows 8/8.1/8.1Update it downloads all the ONEDRIVE stuff to your PC automatically.

FYI: The " i heard i can do something similar with usb" I think your misunderstanding, as that was probably where you follow the 'Install Windows from a USB' (note ONLY WINDOWS *NOT* your games, programs, data, etc.) where you 'install' the setup and ISO of Windows to a USB and boot/install from the USB, not the HDD. This requires (as I mentioned) a LEGAL LICENSE COPY and would be the SAMETHING I said above, but replace DVD with USB.
 

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my original plan was this:

make a backup of everything with system image.
then make a recovery drive using a usb stick
then placing the new hdd in my laptop

and heres where i'm stuck, i don't know if the recovery usb will be recognized or even if its going to work.
if it did work,i would go to the option where i can restore everything through system image.

is this possible or do i actually need to install windows first to be able to use the system image of my previous hdd
 


Okay some caveats here
1) NEITHER the OLD nor NEW HD can be the target for ANY backups, system images, etc. ONLY REPLICATIONS (as I outlined). Reason: As soon as you 'restore' anything it wipe the same drive you have the image on and well you can't 'write' over what your 'reading'.
2) You need SOME external drive source, be it burning a heck alot of DVDs or a external HD. You can NOT split any backups, system images, etc. over multiple THUMB drives.
3) The 'image' is based on the exact size of your drive NOW, even the empty space. So say with Windows and everything installed it takes up 100GB of your 500GB Drive, now your moving to a 2TB, no matter what method you use, your 'image' will be looking to 'store' 500GB even if it just actually makes only 100GB file. When it gets restored to the 2TB drive it will ONLY restore to 500GB, you will have to manually 'add' the rest of the unused space once your done restoring everything (or make a logical second drive, etc.)

That said
1) Okay first off system image is a exact duplicate of your drive (as I mentioned above) as noted in these steps
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-7/
So if you just make the system image to a Ext Drive, you swap drives, insert the Windows DVD (IF this was a self built, won't work if it is a OEM, again back to the previous instructions) and Install Windows, then restore from the System Image over your 'new' Windows image on the new HD, basically the simple way, you can try to get to the System Recovery menu when Windows DVD is inserted, but most time I find Windows already eager to install itself . But your done at this point.
2) No you can NOT make a recovery drive on a USB, back to what I said. It just isn't a option available because of the way USBs fall in between DVDs (closed media) and a ext HD (larger persistent media), and of course the issue of SPANNING isn't allowed across USBs.
3) What you keep focusing on (USB) is as I said, where your installing Windows the first time and you make a Windows BOOT USB, so you can install Windows (nothing else) quickly, which is important when doing multiple systems.
4) Still all goes back to the previous post where you NEED recovery media from your OEM OR you should have your Windows DVDs already. I am becoming suspicious at this point that you may have a 'Torrent' version of Windows on your computer or some other 'friend gave me copy' method.
 

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where are you getting the idea i'm using a torrent version?
i didn't even think that far of using windows dvd, i don't even have any dvd laying around.

i'm sorry if i'm confusing to you, i'll try to be more clear and make a difference between things when i'm talking about usb, i made my backup (system image) on a external hdd, and i made the recovery usb (http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-create-a-windows-8-usb-recovery-drive/) on thumbdrive.

Can't i just use the recovery drive usb to access the certain menu/option to restore the system image from my new hdd (that doens't have a Operating System)?
i'm asking if i can use this method instead of having to install a windows os system (AND I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I DON'T HAVE A WINDOWS DVD AND I'M NOT PLANNING TO GET ONE, BY ANY MEANS)
P.S. this is about a ASUS laptop bought in a store
 


Actually your confused on the purpose of the RECOVERY drive. That is to RECOVER (as outlined in that article) from a error IN Windows, to allow it to self repair, NOT to 'back up and restore' from one drive to another. It is FOR a Hard Drive WITH a OS in it. So AGAIN NO you can NOT use the Recovery USB you made in ANY WAY with what your GOAL IS. Period.



Well this response IS why I am wondering 'where' you got your Windows 8 from. If it was installed already on the ASUS laptop you bought, then (BACK TO WHAT I SAID ABOVE) you need to use the ASUS Factory Recovery Disk maker to create (AND YES YOU HAVE NO CHOICE) DVDs of the Factory Image ASUS put on it when you FIRST EVER used the computer. WHY? BECAUSE if everything goes totally wrong and you wipe the DRIVE with WINDOWS on it, then your SOL and you have a doorstop, no Windows, no working PC. Your ONLY METHOD would be to PAY ASUS to SHIP YOU the DVDs (for a cost of course) OR go to Walmart / BestBuy and BUY a brand new copy of Windows and START FROM SCRATCH (no drivers, no ASUS software, etc.).

THE ONLY METHODS TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL HAVE BEEN POSTED SEVERAL TIMES, THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY CHOICES. You need a external drive, you need to backup the Image, swap drives, restore Image and PRAY it works. If not, then swap back to the OLD Drive, and as mentioned backup your data to the ONEDRIVE, swap drives, use FACTORY DVD to restore to the new HDD, and start from scratch that way while your data (no more then 30GB) restores.
 

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to do this, the new hdd must have windows installed right, i can't just restore the image system without it right?

(also i still don't get how you got the idea i downloaded a torrent of the operating system, why would i want to download a os that was already on the laptop to begin with, it doesn't make sense where you got this idea.
you must have noticed that i barely know anything about installing hardware/os in laptops
 


NO if you use the suggested 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. If you use one of those, they would create a system image to a ext HDD, swap HDDs, boot the 3RD PARTY DVD you made as part of the process that is a 'mini OS', and use the menu to then 'RESTORE' the system image from Ext. HDD to NEW HDD.

YES if you mean this process http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-81-tip-use-system-image-backup which goes back again to what I said about needing you make your Windows o/r Factory DVD, make systems image, swap drives, use Windows o/r Factory DVD to install Windows, run system image to RESTORE from Ext HDD to New (windows) HDD.

Really at this point we are at a dead end and my ONLY AND SOLE ADVICE IS,
TAKE EVERYTHING DOWN TO A LOCAL IT SHOP / BEST BUY, FORK OVER THE $300+ FOR THEM TO DO IT AND STOP POSTING TO THE FORUMS AS YOU" barely know anything about installing hardware/os "

BTW there is absolutely NO difference between desktop and laptop EXCEPT form factor, customized parts, much lighter weight and it runs off a battery when portable.
 

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there are a few more thing i like to know, is it possible to access boot mode on a laptop (hard drive) that doesn't have any os on it? (because i thought it was only accessible when you have a os on it)

isn't it possible to use a thumb drive with the 3RD Pary (mini os) instead of dvd, i don't have any and i don't want to buy just for this one thing)

and the final thing i like to know is, does a recovery drive (thumb drive) only work when the hdd has a OS system (meaning by that it won't start if it doesn't find a windows OS system on the hdd

at this point i like to learn/know about all this.

(and please sir, stay calm.
i'm trying to learn/understand what you are saying, i'm asking you to have patience, this is a forum for getting help about pc's after all, so lets try and stay positive)
 


I am not sure what YOU mean by "access boot mode" as compared to what I know of as you may be thinking something else is 'boot mode' and it is the wrong name for something different. BIOS is the instructional set to determine the 'hardware' to tell the 'software' what it can 'operate' (aka OPERATING system). When the BIOS loads it has a 'boot' menu which you can select what hardware device to access the OS (the software to OPERATE the system, without a OS there is NOTHING you can do with the hardware except make blinky lights). So you choose the source. BIOS (the text before Windows Logo) ALWAYS LOADS FIRST

A boot MODE (different wording here) is the state of the OS you want it to load into, in the case of Windows it has been Normal Mode (what normally happens when you turn it on), safe MODE (stripped down only bare Windows loads), safe MODE with networking (stripped down only bare Windows with added drivers to allow networking device to work), etc. LINUX and other OSes probably have other modes as well, but I am not a expert on them as they aren't the 'mass OS used'. Boot Mode is 'hidden' behind the Windows Logo, and will show a TEXT menu to choose from ONLY if specifically selected (pressing F8 continuously) to do so.



Well A) Depends if they made it to work with a Open Device like a USB, most are based on a CLOSED device (burn once DVD) so you would have to look under the INSTRUCTIONS or DESCRIPTION of the 3rd Party program to determine for it.
B) It isn't a ONE THING, a Windows DVD / Factory DVD is always needed especially in emergencies, so this isn't a ONE TIME thing. If Windows bellies up at any time (Malware, bad driver, you / I were stupid, etc.) then the DVD is the only GOOD copy of the software the computer needs to 'check against' to make sure what the HDD has is 'correct' or copy it down from the DVD.
C) And if things go wrong at any time (power loss, maleware, etc.) how will you fix Windows if it won't even start / keeps saying INSERT WINDOWS REPAIR DVD without one?

(( Honestly you are making a bigger issue out of the most minor of things than is necessary. This is like you have a flat tire and you keep being told you put on your spare tire and get the flat tire fixed, but you keep saying you "don't want to buy (a new tire) just for this one thing"?!?!? See makes no sense!))



It doesn't (the USB) start on its own IN ANY CASE (see the link I provided). It is when (Windows 8) used to REPAIR Windows ON your HDD. REPEATING AGAIN IT ONLY WORKS WITH WINDOWS ON THE HDD



Then you should have posted "Wish to be taught about Operating Systems, Booting, and moving OSes" which everyone would tell you a Forum is NOT the place for it, it is too lengthy, (LOOK at all these posts) technical, and can't provide STEP BY STEP process for you to follow, especially when you have no clue about computers and 'the basics'.

There is MANY Youtube videos, websites, that teach 'Basics about Operating Systems' so you can 'SEE" what is being 'posted' here by myself / others which isn't sinking in (obviously since your asking the same questions every way possible not liking the answer isn't changing). I would DIRECT YOU to those resources.

As for this post, I suggest you close it, since your goal here isn't a actual 'solution' but a learning lesson.
 

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first off i like to thank you for going through all this trouble and clearing some of the things that were unclear to me.



well thats one way to look at it, i like to see it as preparing for a task and knowing as much as possible, you never know when some knowledge might come in handy



yeah sorry about asking it again, i just read the previous post and you indeed already said it, i must have misread it or something, sorry for the trouble.



by learning/knowing i didn't mean learning everything about a OS, i just meant i wanted to know the answers of the last 3 question (one you already answered, my apologies), to learn something new, to know about something.

but anyway thanks for everything, the last post of answers cleared up some question i was having about this topic.
i'm going to attempt this with the 3rd party program, wish me luck
thank you for your help and sorry for the trouble.