A10 6800k too weak for an R9 280?

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

Quick question, i've got an A10-6800k and I am now looking for a stronger gpu as the iGPU has had its fair share of abuse and is now no longer sufficient. My only worry is that the A10 would hold the 280 (non x) back and would slaughter it's potential fps. I have a H80i water cooler so I could overclock a decent amount if necessary to eradicate any bottlenecks.

Any help or tips would be appreciated!

A10-6800k (HD8670d iGPU)
Corsair H80i
*R9 280*
Crucial 1x8GB 1333
MSI A88x G41 PC Mate

i5Baby · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

I will bottleneck. I would suggest something on par with an i5. If you were on a budget to improve performance, get 8gb of AT LEAST 1866mhz RAM.

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

Any more detail? Large/small drop in fps? Enough to even be bothered about? Would overclocking help?

i5Baby · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

Overclocking would be of no help, because it is the equal of an Athlon 760k, and that paired with the GPU you suggested would bottleneck. There would be a huge decline in FPS, and it would be barely playable. Sorry to rain on your parade.

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

I find that extremely difficult to believe as the 7850k, a model up, can run perfectly well with an GTX 780 on games such as BF4 on ultra at 80-90fps, i'm not sure what you consider "barely playable".

i5Baby · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

Uh, no. Where did you hear that garbage?

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWans5FU4cU

i5Baby · Oct 19, 2014

And how did he prove that? That CPU would be way too weak for that GPU.

kariotommy · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

Depending what you do it will be limited, if you play 1 monitor with high res you can play with decent fps (60+), it would be better if you had 2x4gb 1600mhz as ram, but you can add that later too.
That cpu power isn't that great but you can play most dx11 games in mid-high graphics, or high removing AA.

i5Baby · Oct 19, 2014

kariotommy :

SM125 :

Depending what you do it will be limited, if you play 1 monitor with high res you can play with decent fps (60+), it would be better if you had 2x4gb 1600mhz as ram, but you can add that later too.
That cpu power isn't that great but you can play most dx11 games in mid-high graphics, or high removing AA.

Black Butler, huh

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

kariotommy :

That's exactly what I was planning so that makes me feel better! Get the 280, later on get an 1866 8GB kit and all I wanted to play on settings wise was high with a small amount of AA at 50+fps if possible, just wanted some more experienced opinions, thanks!

kariotommy · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

kariotommy :

That's exactly what I was planning so that makes me feel better! Get the 280, later on get an 1866 8GB kit and all I wanted to play on settings wise was high with a small amount of AA at 50+fps if possible, just wanted some more experienced opinions, thanks!

No worries ^^. Some people here feel high when trying to "help" someone ... lols. Sebastian Michaelis, so what?

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

Yeah I noticed! Biased opinions and false claims should result in an insta-ban haha, but then there would probably be about 20 people left on the site unfortunately

kariotommy · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

Ironically, there's a top poster called "i7baby" a funny and knowledgable user, then this one "i5baby" a kid that doesn't know how to respect others... sad.

SM125 · Oct 19, 2014

Ahh, I thought i'd seen a similar name on here somewhere, in fact I think he helped me out with a question I had about cooling options (i7baby that is).
There's a lot of very knowledgeable people on here like you say, just have to dodge the idiot every once in a while I suppose.

bmacsys · Oct 19, 2014

SM125 :

In all fairness all things considered an R9 280 would probably be a better match with and i5 or even a 6300 or 8320.That being said an overclocked A10-6800K is about as good as it gets on the FM2 or FM2+ platform and should perform well. I have an A10-5800K and at 4.6 Ghz it games surprisingly well.

Calculatron · Oct 19, 2014

The A10-6800K is, indeed, subpar for the R9 280 - but it's not going to be a terrible or crippling bottleneck by any stretch of the imagination, even at stock settings. (Although a running at a constant 4.5+ ghz overclock will give you some noticeable gains in certain games.) The performance upgrade from the integrated graphics will be huge, and amazing, and you'll probably want to play through all your games again. Your biggest issue will be with competitive multiplayer if you keep the detail settings really high; when a lot of things are happening at once, you'll notice frame rate drops a lot.

Go ahead and get the R9 280. You'll be happy with it. I wouldn't be surprised if, after you've switched platforms, you didn't think the upgrade was worth it to eliminate the bottleneck.

SM125 · Oct 20, 2014

In all fairness all things considered an R9 280 would probably be a better match with and i5 or even a 6300 or 8320.That being said an overclocked A10-6800K is about as good as it gets on the FM2 or FM2+ platform and should perform well. I have an A10-5800K and at 4.6 Ghz it games surprisingly well.

Thanks, i know its not a strong apu by any means but as long as there isn't a huuuuuge bottleneck and im able to play the latest games on medium and above with AA, then im happy. Anything after the iGPU will feel amazing.

SM125 · Oct 20, 2014

The A10-6800K is, indeed, subpar for the R9 280 - but it's not going to be a terrible or crippling bottleneck by any stretch of the imagination, even at stock settings. (Although a running at a constant 4.5+ ghz overclock will give you some noticeable gains in certain games.) The performance upgrade from the integrated graphics will be huge, and amazing, and you'll probably want to play through all your games again. Your biggest issue will be with competitive multiplayer if you keep the detail settings really high; when a lot of things are happening at once, you'll notice frame rate drops a lot.

Go ahead and get the R9 280. You'll be happy with it. I wouldn't be surprised if, after you've switched platforms, you didn't think the upgrade was worth it to eliminate the bottleneck.

Thanks a lot for the info, I'm looking forward to feeling the difference after putting up with an apu on single channel 1333mhz ram

As for the point about multiplayer, I had thought about that and I think i'd accept just dropping the settings or AA down to compensate.

Would it to be too much to guess at how many fps i'd lose compared to an R9 280 with a 4790k?

Calculatron · Oct 20, 2014

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-fx-8370e-cpu,3929-7.html

Go ahead and take a look at the graphs with the R9 285 - which is comparable to the R9 280 - and use the A10-7800 - which is fairly close to the A10-6800 - as a reference. (Then laugh.)

But don't laugh too hard. With the display settings all the way up, really what they are displaying is a GPU-bottleneck - so if you were to decrease the resolution, or other settings, you would see the frame rates go up, and a larger gap begin to grow between the Intel and AMD processors. As for how large that gap would grow, I can't really say, because it depends on the game.

That said, older games, or games that are not as optimized, may have as much as 20 FPS or more difference. Otherwise, like displayed in the link above, the difference may be "just" 10 FPS (or less).

(Bottenecks are weird things - do you notice how the A10-7800 gets twice the amount of FPS with Bioshock Infinity with the R9 295x2 than it does the R9 285? It takes a lot to truly "cap" the FPS, but, with a CPU bottleneck, you will hit a point of diminishing returns - it is not worth spending $1000 dollars on a GPU to double your FPS when a ~$200 GPU will do the job just fine.)

EDIT: Forgot link. Derp.

i5Baby · Oct 22, 2014

Well, sorry for my lack of knowledge and creativity. After all, i5's are a bit weaker than the average i7.

SM125 · Oct 22, 2014

i5Baby :

I don't doubt your knowledge and creativity but I'd appreciate less biased or aimless opinions, you know?

i5Baby · Oct 22, 2014

SM125 :

I may not be the smartest computer technician, but what do you expect at age 13?

kariotommy · Oct 23, 2014

i5Baby :

SM125 :

I may not be the smartest computer technician, but what do you expect at age 13?

Respect is what we expect, age doesn't matter, education or/and personality does.

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