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Amd a8 6600k with a msi r9 280 on games like bf4 would my fps still be decent (40-60 fps is good enough for me) and what would be a good cpu upgrade my mobo supports fm2 and fm2+
 
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Athlon X4 860K is the highest CPU you can get in FM2+ right now.
It's hard to find benchmarks ATM but maybe it's a good option (if you're in a tight budget having to reuse the motherboard).

http://pcpartpicker.com/b/DCr7YJ

Single-thread it's not better than Pentium G3258 but in multi-thread it beats it and scales to a few i3 and i5, look at the snip of the table:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+X4+860K+Quad+Core

AMD Carrizo Excavator may bring an upgrade choice in the future but going with the right Intel you have it guaranteed when you want an i5 (superfluous price for me anyway). AM3+ is dead and dated, but it could be cheaper compared to the performance gains so your choice...

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Well the GPU has the ability to run BF4 on high/ultra settings. However, BF4 is a CPU heavy game. I really don't think it's worth changing the CPU to another FM2+ CPU as I don't think there will be a worthy performance upgrade. If you really want a performance boost, you're considering jumping to an Intel CPU right about now. It's sad to say as AMD is needed for competition but they're lacking right now in performance.
 

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Even budget wise you don't think something like a fx 8350 would be enough? I know Intel is more powerful but the good ones can get pricey.
 

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Well yeah, the 8350 would be a great choice but the 8350 uses the AM3+ socket. It wouldn't work in the FM2+ socket. The FM2+ socket is centered around APUs which have integrated graphics on the chip. The AM3+ socket doesn't focus on the graphics on the chip and has more raw CPU power.
 

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Athlon X4 860K is the highest CPU you can get in FM2+ right now.
It's hard to find benchmarks ATM but maybe it's a good option (if you're in a tight budget having to reuse the motherboard).

http://pcpartpicker.com/b/DCr7YJ

Single-thread it's not better than Pentium G3258 but in multi-thread it beats it and scales to a few i3 and i5, look at the snip of the table:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+X4+860K+Quad+Core

AMD Carrizo Excavator may bring an upgrade choice in the future but going with the right Intel you have it guaranteed when you want an i5 (superfluous price for me anyway). AM3+ is dead and dated, but it could be cheaper compared to the performance gains so your choice...
 
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What makes the x4 860k better then the a8 6600k because they have close to the same o.f/t.f and will that be enough to handle bf4 with out using 100% of its power on high or ultra or a least have only a little bottleneck on the gpu. If it is able to I think I will go with that because I really don't have the money right now to buy a new mobo. So these kaveri arent any good either? Next build I will probably go for intel.
 

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What's o.f/t.f? My primary language isn't English so I'm missing the meaning.


From what I understand you should see a ~15% improvement at best or a 20% improvement at MAX.
Because the Athlon X4 860K is sightly better than the A10-7850K, which itself is better than your A8-6600K.

PHP:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1946&cmp[]=2133&cmp[]=2362
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_athlon_860k_black_edition_cpu_review/8
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_athlon_860k_black_edition_cpu_review/9

BF4...
A10-7850K + R9 290X bottlenecks the CPU but it goes well over 60 FPS. Like I said Athlon X4 860K would even be sightly better.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-a10-7850k-apu-review,19.html

That also may be an interesting page: http://www.techspot.com/review/793-thief-battlefield-4-mantle-performance/page2.html

A8-6600 with R9 270X at medium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BbP7_iEVJs
(I don't know which of the components is the bottleneck causing the minimum FPS.)

I've heard online multiplayer BF4 is much more charging on the CPU though.
 

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Thanks for all the information, by o.f/t.f I meant operating frequency and turbo frequency in other words both are pretty close so I was curious about what makes it better also that first link is not working.

That link on guru3d showed 160 fps on medium with a r9 290x was that on multiplayer? I will be getting a r9 280 so will my fps still be higher or a bit lower with the x4 860k, I would prefer 1080p on high instead of medium settings with mantel if I could get around 50 fps would that be possible?

 

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Please copy and paste the link, I can't get it to work in this forum's formatting.

GHz and cores number are the tip of the iceberg in CPUs. A8-6600 is a Richland 32 nm chip with Piledriver cores, while the Athlon 860K is in a newer architecture it's a Kaveri 28 nm with Steamroller cores.
Even clocked at the same speed the new architecture cores were made to be more efficient. There are newer components, different IPC, and even sometimes trade-offs (e.g. overclockability).
I don't have hardware engineering knowledge so it's better to check in real world scenario based benchmarks. In those we can see how A10-7850 and Athlon 860K perform better.


The guru3d test was probably in the single-player campaign.
I think you can achieve your goal with High quality and even some Ultra settings if they're not CPU-bound ones. In multiplayer the higher the number of players the higher your CPU will be pushed.

860K will give you better FPS than the A8 APU. About the R9 290X I don't think any of the AMD processors available ATM can take it to its full potential, even AMD uses Intel i5 or i7 on their R9 290+ marketing pieces...
Of course the ammount of bottleneck on either side (CPU or GPU) will depend on whether the game relies more on GPU or CPU power...

You could look up more benchmarks considering 860K is somewhere in the middle of AMD FX 4300 < FX 6300.

AMD isn't really competing with CPUs in the high-end gaming segment right now... They compete on budget/mid gaming / cost benefit field. The GPUs are strong though and Mantle gives them an edge.
To get smoother performance than that it'll be impossible in a budget. You'd need a recent Intel i5 + motherboard (or AMD FX on AM3+ but while they may again win in cost/benefit they aren't really efficient in power usage x performance, old tech).
 

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Thanks for the reply I like to learn how stuff like this works.

 

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I got 45-70 on 4ghz a8 on the 64p, it was smooth enough to play fine, you may get more from mantle it didnt work with my card though (1gb vram)
 

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What settings where you playing on