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Goal - Upgrade PC to have great quality gaming while streaming, and powerful enough to render well for YouTube videos.

Setup:

AMD FX-4130
GIGABYTE 970A-UD3
GIGABYTE WINDFORCE R9 280X OC EDITION
8 GB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX RAM 1600 MHz
120 GB SAMSUNG SSD
CORSAIR H80I
CORSAIR CX600M
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS CASE

I have some ideas but I am looking for more guided input. This was my first build and I am looking to upgrade it. Wish I had the money to build from scratch but I just don't. Any helpful suggestions would be awesome. I am anticipating CPU/MOBO, GPU, PSU changes. Just cant seem to figure out the order. Thanks in advanced!!!!!
 
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I know Tek Syndicate and I have watched the reviews they have done with the FX 8350, and the...
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Lol if you are anticipating all those changes, its almost building from scratch.
Anyways your PSU and GPU are fine and don't need changed.

Your CPU for sure needs changed as its bottlenecking the GPU. The motherboard, maybe. You can either go with an 8-core CPU from AMD, whichever one is cheapest is the one to buy honestly since they are pretty much identical and you can overclock them to match very easily. This would itself give a boost and be helpful and the cheapest solution. The best thing about it is from what I have heard the extra cores help when you streaming games.

The more expensive route, but far better is to buy an Intel system with either a core i5, core i7, or Xeon CPU. Ideally a Xeon or i7 as the hyper threading will again help with streaming games, but also helps with video rendering.

If you decide Intel, it is in your best interest to wait a few more months, as Broadwell will come out soon and will bring some price drops to Intel's current CPUs, and the Broadwell CPUs will have excellent performance and power consumption improvements over the current generation.
 
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I was about to post, but glad I hit refresh as I was going to say pretty much exactly what IInuyasha74 suggested.

How much are you struggling with performance at present? Can you afford to wait for Broadwell? I assume you've OC'd that FX-4130 as high as you can already? That will make a difference for sure. While an AMD FX-8350 or similar would be a step up, you really do want an intel build for what you're doing. I also worry a little about the AMD CPU route because a heavy OC on an 8350 (or similar) and 280X on running off that Corsair CX PSU isn't ideal. The CX CPUs are not complete junk, but they're far from the best and both that GPU & any 8 core AMD CPU are seriously power hungry when you start adding voltage to them.

If you can afford to wait for Broadwell, or would rather just jump now (check out the Xeon E3-1230 V3 as the cheapest 4 Core with hyperthreaded CPU), that would be the best option IMHO.
 
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Sorry to beat you to the it :p

That is a good point I didn't think about though. If he does get an 8-core from AMD, he can OC the cheap FX 8320 to match the FX 8350 or something without issue probably, maybe an extra 100-200Mhz but not much more. Its getting to the point where a hard gaming session that pushes the hardware to its max could come close to overloading the PSU. That PSU could handle pretty much anything from Intel, but AMD is just too power hungry. Broadwell is going to be ridiculously energy efficient, with their highest end probably not even consuming 70w at full load, compared to now they consume typically about 110w of power. AMD's 8-cores consume closer to 180w at stock, and when overclocked can go as high as 400w, but thats pushnig the CPU past 5Ghz.

Thanks for the model number of that Xeon too btw, I can never remember it :p
Xeon E3-1230 V3 honestly will have amazing seeming performance compared to your current system, and that hyper threading might seem like not a big deal, but it has a huge performance boost, so if you need a cheap way out, thats what you want.
 
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Thank you both for your input. Intel is soooo expensive it hurts haha. I don't know if either of you guys are familiar with TekSyndakite? Anyway they benchmarked the 8350 vs i7 4770k I believe and besides cysis, the 8350 won every time. But I want to get all the input I can. If I were to go with AMD still with the 8350, what PSU would you suggest for a hefty OC. MAybe even add another 280x?? My only real deal with the 280s is I want to liquid cool everything but there is no liquid cooling setup for them I can find, They have water cooling stuff for 7970 cards whjich is basically a 280x but on the new 280x the layout is changed just a tad.
 
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I know Tek Syndicate and I have watched the reviews they have done with the FX 8350, and the results they list are drastically different than the results given by Tomshardware, Anandtech, techpowerup, Guru3D, PCPer, etc. Long story short, there are over a dozen tech websites taht have reviewed these parts, in numerous different configurations, different graphics cards, and only Tek Syndicate shows it as being able to match an i7. All other review sites, and I do mean all, show it at best matching an i5, and typically below i5 performance even.

The price of Intel is high, but the performance difference is also huge. Its like comparing single-core CPUs from 2003 to a core2quad quad core CPU. Its that huge, and honestly its a much better idea.If you water cool an entire FX 8350 system, you might get like an extra 300Mhz out of it, you would get closer to an extra 1Ghz out of an i5 or i7. So it is better for overclocking too.

As for crossfire, its a terrible idea and you shouldn't do it. In some games in gives better performance if they are optimized for it. In 80% of games or better it doesn't do anything at all, just waste power and produces more heat, and in some games performance actually goes down. I would never try crossfire or SLI ever again, the performance is terrible compared to the cost and its just not worth it. Honestly if you have the cash for custom water coolers and a new high end GPU, Intel shouldn't be so hard to pay out for. If you want more GPU performance a faster single GPU is a better idea.
 
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