Intel Haswell Pentium G3258 vs AMD Kaveri A10-7850k?

BRENDAN RYTHER · Oct 24, 2014

i've been told that the pentium will best the A10 in video recording, editing, processing, etc. and in gaming in general. now, this seems a bit odd to me seeing that the APU is quad core and the pentium only dual. and the APU can be crossfired with an r7 250. so which is truly better for recording and playing minecraft at the same time, along with recording game emulators and then editing these videos and adding effects?

rolli59 · Oct 24, 2014

AMD´s problem is the low IPC performance although it is not totally true that the pentium beats it in everything. Here it is compared with Athlon X4 750 which basically is a CPU version of APU. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849.html

MasterDell · Oct 24, 2014

You cant really compare the two. But you can at the same time. When paying for any A6/8/10 CPU you are paying for the graphics. The 7850k has a processor that is the equivalent of the 750k/760k. This processor is not as good as the g3258 but is comparable. The G3258 will win in basically anything you throw at it except on board graphics. Not to mention the fact that you can overclock the g3258 to get even more performance.. Thats not to say that the A10 cant be. 7850k is designed for a light gamer with no GPU. Even though you can crossfire it, it still will not be that much better especially considering youre going to be bottlenecked with the onboard CPU of the 7850k. You will bottleneck at about a 260 with the onboard. Hope that helped sorry if it doesnt make much sense.. its late

geofelt · Oct 24, 2014

The A10 cpu chips are not nearly as efficient per clock as the intel haswell chips.
The $140 A10-6800K runs at 4.1 with 4.4 turbo.
It has a passmark rating of 4749.
The $70 G3258 is only dual core, and runs at 3.2 stock with a passmark rating of 4000. But the G3258 is designed for overclocking if you give it a aftermarket cooler.
It will then run at perhaps 4.4 which is about a 40% increase in compute power. A Very good deal if cpu power is what you need.

Most games use only 2 cores, possibly three. I think minecraft is single threaded and compute bound. Such games will run much better on the faster G3258 cores.

The video capabilities are something else. If one will be satisfied with R7-250 performance, that is superior to the Intel integrated graphics.
But... most gamers will install a strong discrete graphics card.
That negates the value of the A10 apu.

Lastly, the G3258 runs on a lga1150 motherboard which will permit future cpu upgrades up to the $330 i7-4790K.
The apu essentially has no good upgrade path.

Now, if you play one game primarily, you should seek out some benchmark comparisons to decide.

BRENDAN RYTHER · Oct 24, 2014

geofelt :

The A10 cpu chips are not nearly as efficient per clock as the intel haswell chips.
The $140 A10-6800K runs at 4.1 with 4.4 turbo.
It has a passmark rating of 4749.
The $70 G3258 is only dual core, and runs at 3.2 stock with a passmark rating of 4000. But the G3258 is designed for overclocking if you give it a aftermarket cooler.
It will then run at perhaps 4.4 which is about a 40% increase in compute power. A Very good deal if cpu power is what you need.

Most games use only 2 cores, possibly three. I think minecraft is single threaded and compute bound. Such games will run much better on the faster G3258 cores.

The video capabilities are something else. If one will be satisfied with R7-250 performance, that is superior to the Intel integrated graphics.
But... most gamers will install a strong discrete graphics card.
That negates the value of the A10 apu.

Lastly, the G3258 runs on a lga1150 motherboard which will permit future cpu upgrades up to the $330 i7-4790K.
The apu essentially has no good upgrade path.

Now, if you play one game primarily, you should seek out some benchmark comparisons to decide.

so if i pair the pentium with an R7 250 or 250x how well would the machine run with 8GB RAM?

photonboy · Oct 25, 2014

R7-250:
This is a really, really crappy graphics card for the price. You can Google the benchmarks but even Linus from techtips went on a rant saying how crappy a deal it was.

*I'd suggest going with an NVidia GTX750 or GTX750Ti if you can afford one. Then you can use SHADOWPLAY for recording which won't drop your frame rate nearly as much as a software solution.

Thus I recommend:

1) 1150 motherboard that supports G3258 overclocking (and do a light overclock). Research that carefully!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-b81-cheap-overclocking,3888.html

2) G3258

3) EVGA GTX750Ti ($110 after rebate):
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43757kr

Other:
Here's how SHADOWPLAY works:
http://www.geforce.com/geforce-experience/shadowplay

Frame rate drop should be roughly 5% to 8% whereas software with a G3258 may be closer to 40%.

Outlander_04 · Oct 25, 2014

If you are considering the AMD , and want better graphics performance then use an Athlon 860K which is the same processor with the graphics disabled .

If the choice is
pentium + graphics card
or
Athlon 860K + graphics card

Id take the athlon all day . It will be choking a lot less in multiplayer online gaming because it can run 4 threads . It wont matter at all that they are individually weaker .
And the Athlon OC's as well as the pentium , and usually does it on a cheaper board than the pentium would need

photonboy · Oct 25, 2014

Outlander_04 :

Do you have any actual LINKS for that? All I can find is the G3258 versus X4-750K where it matches or beats the AMD and other links of more poorly threaded games where the G3258 wins by a larger margin:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-b81-cheap-overclocking,3888-3.html

Probably can't go wrong either way though in the case of MINECRAFT I suspect the G3258 would win there since i doubt that's well threaded.

Other:
Please, please don't get an APU and add a dedicated card. It's called "Dual Graphics" (not Crossfire) and has more problems than Crossfire especially with low-end cards. When you work out the pricing it also makes a lot more sense to get a CPU + dedicated card.

Outlander_04 · Oct 25, 2014

I dont have links for that photonboy . I have looked for benchmarks and reviews of the 860K and havent found much that is useful . I also have never used one . They are not even available where I live for some reason .

But we do know the cores in the 860k are two generations newer than in the 750K and that each generation gave a 6 - to about 15% increase in performance depending on the task. Worst case scenario is that the 860K is about 12% faster than that 750K

We also know that intensive games use every core they can and that thread count is more important than loading of each core [ to a large extent ]

Pity this review uses such a weak graphics card and only compares to a 760k [which is already better than a 750k ]
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_athlon_860k_black_edition_cpu_review/1

BRENDAN RYTHER · Oct 25, 2014

if i put two builds together, one pentium, one athlon, both with a 750 ti and 8GB 1600 RAM, which would win? what if i bumped the intel build up to an i3?

MasterDell · Oct 25, 2014

Pentium would win. i3 would wipe both clean. The i3 can be compared to the fx 6300. Both are even on benchmarks. However the i3 should always be favored do the the upgrade path.

MasterDell · Oct 25, 2014

photonboy :

Linus literally bashes everything lol

Outlander_04 · Oct 25, 2014

BRENDAN RYTHER :

It would depend on the game and whether it was online multi player

Graphically intensive games like BF4 online will be better on the Athlon

Solo player skyrim will be better on the pentium

MasterDell · Oct 25, 2014

Outlander_04 :

A stock g3258 beats an overclock 750k at bf4. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-b81-cheap-overclocking,3888-3.html

Outlander_04 · Oct 25, 2014

MasterDell :

Outlander_04 :

A stock g3258 beats an overclock 750k at bf4. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-b81-cheap-overclocking,3888-3.html

A 750K has cores that are two generations older than the 860K

and single player benchmarks mean nothing when you play online

MasterDell · Oct 25, 2014

Outlander_04 :

MasterDell :

A 750K has cores that are two generations older than the 860K

and single player benchmarks mean nothing when you play online

Fair enough

AJ_O · Dec 12, 2014

photonboy :

Photonboy, that is not true. Linus reviewed the R7 240, not the 250. I myself own a dedicated R7 250 card, and it runs Crysis 2 at 52 FPS average on Ultra, Battlefield 3 runs at 45 FPS average on Ultra, and Crysis 3 runs at 37 FPS average on lowest settings. Mind you, I'm being bottlenecked by a Pentium Dual Core E2180. The R7 250 isn't the BEST card, but it is, in fact, a good card. For a price point of $90, it's a good card.

AJ_O · Dec 12, 2014

photonboy :

Outlander_04 :

Do you have any actual LINKS for that? All I can find is the G3258 versus X4-750K where it matches or beats the AMD and other links of more poorly threaded games where the G3258 wins by a larger margin:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-b81-cheap-overclocking,3888-3.html

Probably can't go wrong either way though in the case of MINECRAFT I suspect the G3258 would win there since i doubt that's well threaded.

Other:
Please, please don't get an APU and add a dedicated card. It's called "Dual Graphics" (not Crossfire) and has more problems than Crossfire especially with low-end cards. When you work out the pricing it also makes a lot more sense to get a CPU + dedicated card.

Here is a video by Austin Evans comparing the Pentium G3258 and the Athlon 860K:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVmIVSalP-s

logainofhades · Dec 12, 2014

An 860k is a waste of money. If you need super cheap, and want multiple threads, get an FX 6300, with a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3. You lose the upgrade path the pentium would offer, but it would be a better chip, than the pentium. Later add decent cooler, like a coolermaster hyper TX3 or T4, and a clock to 3.9-4.0ghz, and you would match an i3 performance. ( I suggested those coolers, because the install is the same as the stock cooler.

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