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Hello everyone,
So I'm planning on building my own gaming pc. I would like to be able to livestream and record some games. I've been gathering knowledge since a few months. I still do not have enough money, but it's getting there. So I thought this would be one of the best ways to go. I live in the Netherlands, that's why my English isn't that good if you haven't already noticed. So this is my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thijdjo/saved/CMTFf7
Because I live in the Netherlands the components are very limited. I can't buy all the components available in the US. I want a as futureproof as possible PC. That's why I chose for the 850W Power Supply. I wanted a little SSD just for my OS and some important programs. And I will be able to spend some extra money later when I need extra RAM or HDD. So my main question is. How futureproof will this build be? How long will an 970 run all games smoothly on High-Ultra settings with 60+ fps. Is an i5-4690k good enough for the next 4-5 years? I'm planning on overclocking if that will make it last longer. It's not a problem for me to put in an extra 8GB of RAM when games require more than 8 over a couple of years. And ofcourse I wanted to know if I have any parts in my list that aren't very reliable or good.
I would appreciate other suggestions but please don't go above 1350$ total.
Thanks for your help
 
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Here you have it, changed some parts with more relieble better reputation ones and also improved price performance overal, this machine will last for quite sometime considering it is highly overclockable and that most current games don't use even 50% of this CPU at current time during gaming.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($349.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($90.26 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1306.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-29 17:18 EDT-0400

You should add extra 2x4GB if same ram later on, for gaming is perfectly same with just 8Gb of RAM thou.

The motherboard is compatible with next gen storage hard drive devices like M.2 and Sata Express.
 
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Thanks for all the answers. For some reason I didn't receive emails for every posted comment so that's why I'm responding this 'late'. xStampede that build looks pretty good to me. But you came in more than 50$ under my budget. Which is a good thing ofcourse. But would it be a good choice to take the MSI Z97 Gaming 7 instead of the Asus Z97-A for an extra 20 bucks? And maybe upgrade 750W to 850W? Or maybe a better cooler since an Hyper Evo won't be good enough for an overclocked i7-4790k? Or perhaps the Samsung SSD, I've read that the V300 series aren't very good. Any suggestions which of the upper possibilities I would go with. What are the most important parts that need an upgrade?
Thanks for your effort
 
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You won't be needing to overclock for gaming, the CPU is strong enough, also all the power saving extra options are available if you leave it to default.

Here i changed the motherboard to cheaper MSI one that should get the job done, also changed the SSD to the fast and praised samsung 840 EVO. 750w new PSU is more than enough.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.03 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 Guard-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($128.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($349.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($90.26 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1364.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-30 19:05 EDT-0400
 
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Hello,
I've decided to put a little bit extra money in it so it would be more futureproof. Because I want it to be as futureproof as possible. That's also why I liked it that you were able to throw in an i7-4790k. I hope that with this expanded budget I make my build way more futureproof. This is what I build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bPkCMp
As you can see I went for the better cooler, so that I would be able to overclock the CPU. But my question on this part is: will a cpu last longer if it's overclocked or if it's not. I thought it would last longer if you don't overclock your CPU. But I would like to be able to overclock it , without having to put extra money in it, at the moment I'm not content anymore with it. That way I can boost it a little bit so that it will last me even longer. And I hope I'm talking about 4 years approximately. Is it wise to immediately overclock my CPU, does it not matter or is it better to overclock when performances are getting worse?
Second, I looked the motherboard you put in the rig up in the Dutch computerstore. And in the netherlands they don't sell these boards yet. So I decided to go back to the MSI Z97 Gaming 7 because I've read some good reviews of it.
Third, I decided to go for a smaller SSD since that you'll never be able to put everything on it and 120GB is enough for the most important things. I can save a bit of money with this change.
Fourth, I changed the power supply for an 80+ gold certified one with 850W. This will be enough for a very long time. So if I want to run 2x 970 I don't need to switch up the PSU. And I think I'll just throw in an extra 970 when my GPU can't run every game smoothly on high-ultra settings.
I think you will understand my changes. And I am ensured that there are better ways to go but the components here are very limited. I think this is possibly the best I could get within this price range.
And I have one last question. How long will this PC run all games smoothly on high settings (keep in mind that I can expand the RAM)?
Is it like good enough for 5 years or is that a bit too optimistic?
Thanks so much
 
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Ok, you made some good decisions, regarding overclocking, you won't be needing it at start, you should start overclocking in 1-3 years when you feed a need of increased CPU performance. Overclocking does not damage you copmputer any faster than if it wasn't overclocked if you do it correctly without increasing the voltage.

I had a Intel quad core q6600 overclocked for 5 years and it worked fine without any problems, i even sold it and the guy that bought the computer is still happy. It was overclocked from stock 2.4 Ghz to 3.2 Ghz which was a major increase in performance along with overclocked RAM. I got extra 50% of performance out of that CPU without increasing the voltage.

With motherboard you are overpaying a little, you just need to look for the futures you need, half of the futures you are paying for in that motherboard you will never need, and the durability is not better than for a board that cost 90$, if you want to save money you should save it on your motherboard.

The hard drive WD Caviar Blue is pretty slow, Toschiba are the best if you consider speed / price ratio, they might have lower life span as a consequence but it should last you over 5 years anyway and the speed increase is very visible.

Regarding graphic cards, it's never good to go SLI 2x 970, it's better to just sell your gtx 970 after 1-2 years and buy a better new card. 1 stronger card is alaways better than 2 good cards. If you get 850w power supply it will not work optimaly because on idle with single gtx 970 the consumption is so low and it doesn't go well with a strong power supply. Power supplies are most energy efficent when they are the right size, too big and it consumes above average when on low load because the power supply was not made to output only 150w during computer being idle and low load.
 
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Again, thanks for your help and responding.
I changed some things up: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thijdjo/saved/7GRnTW
I got myself a 2TB Toshiba HDD and I went to a EVGA G2 750W instead of 850W. I couldn't find the Guard-Pro Mobo in any online store. And I've changed the Gaming 7 for an ASrock extreme6. They are about the same price and I've read that ASRock mobo's are better than MSI motherboards. Is this final rig a good setup? It costs under 1400€ so I can afford it.
 
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It looks good, this should last your for 5 years easily if you use it mostly for gaming. Motherboard is a little overkill because it doesn't offer extra features after you get over 115$ line, it's just marketing and looks. =)
 
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In Holland look at this when you seek parts,
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/
use the search box or go like this,
Componenten en randapparatuur->basiscomponenten=motherboard,cpu (+coolers),gpu etc
Componenten en randapparatuur->aanvullende componenten=dvd player if needed,fans,maybe watercooling
Componenten en randapparatuur->opslag=hdd,ssd
Afuture/Azerty are solid shops and two of the cheapest.To buy from shops keep their rating four stars or above.

For a hdd would i pick this one,
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/297052/seagate-desktop-hdd-2tb.html
If you have a little extra budget maybe invest in a 250/256gb ssd.
With a window in the case would i color parts together,like with that black/blue motherboard would i pick same colored ram,but that's me.
 
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