newegg trust and evga price go round

looking at this evga gtx 970 -- 04G-P4-2978-KR-- it was listed at evga for $369.99. then newegg had it for sale for $389.99 so I wrote a review on this as why is it sold at newegg for more than it was listed at evga?? new declined to post the review [3 times] now at evga the price went up to $379.99 and then the price at newegg went up to $399.99 but still will not post a review stating the card msrp at evga is less then eggs ..

just goes to show how easy it is to get the feeling they are looking to gouge you a little bit and refuse reviews that may harm them in doing so

bottom line is -- buyer beware
 
lol ,I see jack up the price the give discount make you feel you got a deal..

also I did not know a review was for non facts anybody who knows newegg knows they don't post reviews that hurts them is most ways but if you cant post a honest fact or info in there review then whats the point of having a review ?? see they know what there doing and as I said if you don't know better you going to get hosed
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
Yeah, Sorry Junkeymonkey, but I have to agree with Newegg on this one. Not having seen your reviews, but based on what you stated here, it seems your review was of Newegg Policy and not the product; hence the disqualification of your reviews.

Secondly, it's basic economics; Supply and Demand. If the supply is low, the cost goes up to deter demand. Just look to EBay each and every holiday season when that year's hot item goes on sale. $1500 for a PS4? $900 for a Tickle Me Elmo? So Newegg selling a low supply item at $20 over MSRP? Yeah. No problem here.

-Wolf sends
 
no the review stated just the what was said pros nice scard and so on

cons wonder if the coil whine or fan issues were fix and so

outher thoughts



card at evga is listed for $369.99 [at the time of the review] don't understand why iuts $20 more dollars than the evga msrp

that's about it so newegg is gouging folks and don't want to let it be known

sorry your that desperate for a card and willng to pay out the nose for it

all this post is for to let folks see what this deal is and if they want to be a chump and pay 20-30 bucks over msrp well that's there deal
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
no the review stated just the what was said pros nice scard and so on

cons wonder if the coil whine or fan issues were fix and so

outher thoughts

Ok. Your review stated a question which was based on non-ownership. The idea behind a "review" is that you own and have tested the card; not that you're seeking more information. That's pretty much a given anywhere you go and not just Newegg. It may be that Newegg is just more selective (and reasonably so) in their acceptance/rejection review.

card at evga is listed for $369.99 [at the time of the review] don't understand why iuts $20 more dollars than the evga msrp

I thought I made that abundantly clear with basic economics/supply and demand.

that's about it so newegg is gouging folks and don't want to let it be known

It's not that Newegg doesn't want you to know. They have no control over what EVGA posts on their web site. Newegg has no control over anyone who doesn't bother to do their own research (as you have done) to find the MSRP.

sorry your that desperate for a card and willng to pay out the nose for it

Yeah, be careful here. Don't assume Jack Squat about what I want/need. You may note I'm still running an old 8800GTS-640 graphics card.

all this post is for to let folks see what this deal is and if they want to be a chump and pay 20-30 bucks over msrp well that's there deal

Actually, this is the only comment you made that I *don't* have a problem with. My only request would be that you back up your statement. Find listings at other vendors (NCIX, Amazon, etc...) for the exact same model number and post their costs. I would expect that you'd find, for the exact same model number card, that you'd find a similar pricing policy.

one more thing the prices of the outher gtx970 at evga have went down or remained the same and there just as hard to get so all you said above don't figure in to this

Ok. Here's the current list of EVGA GTX970s: http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+900+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+970

Seems to me that as of right now, the MSRP of the version you're concerned about matches the price of what Newegg is selling it for, unless I'm missing something (and if I am please post it! This is a discussion, not an argument!).

-Wolf sends
 
ya that's all it is I'm not looking for a fight well its just odd how this card is playing out that's all and like the rest of the 970's remain the same see I keep list of prices and do checks like this board I was looking at it was regular price 154 but 3 weeks later at egg for black Friday sale it was now 189 on sale and that's just one example of the many its getting to be a trend

kinda like a new car you see the msrp on the sticker and go in and give them 2000 bucks over that

and I did not mean to be just pointing a finger at you it all in general and like you I run stuff until it cant heck I got a board that got socket a chip and agpx8 gpu slot with a gt6600 in it still works fine for what it is

and yes the card 2 days ago at evga was listed for 369 and today it went up ther to the 379 witch is stil fair seing it is there best oc'ed card , but its silly to me to see that and go pay more then its worth that the manufacture like I said about the new car most everything sold out side the manufacture is cheaper price now tomorrow or Monday evga may jack there price to 400 ???? don't know



 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
I'm not trying to start a fight either, but it's not odd to me. Again, it's basic economics. If I have 1000 cards in stock and they're not selling, then I'm going to lower the price until they do start selling. If I have 1000 cards in stock and I can't keep them on the shelf, then I'm going to increase the price and make a better profit, provided they continue to sell. Of course, if I raise the price too high, the cards will stop selling (either because of the cost or because someone else is selling below my cost) and I won't make any profit at all.

Let's not forget the primary reason businesses exist. :) LOL!

-Wolf sends
 
oh I forgot about the rebate part of this if required to cut off the upc barcode it can leave you with out recourse like a rma or warrantee as you read from reviewers at sites will tell and like this thread from toms

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/282283-33-rebate-original-code-product-package

so as I look at it why not just give the discount price in the cart then?? because that way they cant worm out -- that's what a rebate its there gain and your loss if theres a issue with the item so think on that

ya , its a hose job all around

 
you keep saying this ???---''it's basic economics'' wtf?? then why has it not affected the rest of there cards ??? I see you don't get it as I said they have not changed or priced crazy and there no easier to get .. so get off that I'm not buying it -basic economics, lol
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
Compare the specifications of the various EVGA GTX770's you should find that the higher cost cards do not match the specifications of the lower cost cards that are readily available and are *likely* in less supply (hence the higher cost).

Post a current add for a "04G-P4-2978-KR" on Newegg. Then post an ad or two for an equal or better GTX770 at a lesser cost and then I'll consider your comments as "price gouging".

-Wolf sends
 
first its a gtx 970 next the card is posted in the first post - 04G-P4-2978-KR--

2ed if you don't follow these things don't comment the card was priced at evga for 369 newegg 379 then newegg is 389 and now evga raised it to 379

look follow along or leave it alone you say supply and demand well what about the rest of the hard to get 970's bottom line is only a fool pays more then the msrp [opinion] and the moral of this story

and where did 770's come in to play here ?? that's you getting off base I could care less about a gtx770 not once did I say anything about any 770 card

 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
Ahem... Apologies for my fat fingered response. To reiterate:

Compare the specifications of the various EVGA GTX970's you should find that the higher cost cards do not match the specifications of the lower cost cards that tend to be more readily available and are *likely* in greater supply (hence the lower cost).
Post a current ad for a "04G-P4-2978-KR" on Newegg. Then post an ad or two for an equal or better GTX970 at a lesser cost and then I'll consider your comments as "price gouging".

Otherwise, it's standard business practices.

-Wolf sends
 
your good.... heres the thing I been following these cards first I thought not bad then the user reviews come in and looks so far like over 1/2 claim coil whine and don't like the fan set up [ witch I don't get not running the fan until it gets way up in temp] and look at them as have they been released too soon or don't they test them at there R&D and seen these issues there ?
so beside that but now heres this card in question just like the rest of there 970 cards at egva alls got ther msrp and stay inline with like newegg so as we know this one card was listed at evga for 369 click the deal to know when its ready [auto notify] well nothing but now its at newegg at $20 over the evga price still nothing from evga so I go back to egg and noe its gone up in price so I check on evga nothing but I now see there price is gone up $10 so I guess putting in for the card means nothing but I can pay well over the evgas advertised lower price but not at there advertised lower price [today I looked and its now changed to $399 at egg also I seen reviews that stated coil whine or a issue have bee removed from yesterday ] see what I mean

then as you said supply and demand that's another funny thing I think theres a issue with these cards theres a limited release and those who got them were the beta testers now they write in there issues with the cards so then theres another limited release like with evga and there cooler thing that's been adjusted for but now they still get reports on the other issues and overall I feel theres a underlying problem with this gtx 900 cause the waty things are mass produced in china supply should not have been a issue if so it should affect more that this line of cards .. ya, I was excited about this card but now I wonder whats really going on with it -- cause when you release the hot new item your sure these plenty to go around like with all the rest of there cards no shortage there and funny how that affected all the top name brands who offer them msi gigabyte evga so on -- so they all got issues supplying these cards??? surly there not all coming down the same one assembly line from just one plant ??? I don't buy that

.....sorry that I type mad .......
 
Do you understand how graphic card chips are made and why there are limited numbers of the higher end cards?

what cards have all these issues out side the 900's ??

why is like newegg removing most of the unfavorable reviews ??

see what is see is funny business and a cover up they got with a issue and they need to sell them so its being twisted remove bad reviews so it looks like a better card then it is improve sales -or is that too hard for you to comprehend also ??

the card got a flaw and there having issues getting it straightened out .... a blind man can see that..
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
So your issues here are:

1) Newegg seems to be removing bad reviews to hide the coil whine defect

04G-2972-KR
04G-2974-KR
04G-2978-KR

I seem to be able to find plenty of bad reviews complaining about coil whine.

2) Newegg is price gouging because they're selling the card above the MSRP as listed in EVGA's web site.

While I'll assume you grasp the concept of supply and demand, you don't seem to understand *WHY* there are limited quantities of these higher end cards. Low supply + High Demand = Higher cost, and yes... sometimes above the MSRP. It's not like NVidia goes out and states, "OK. We'll make 1/2 million GTX980s, 1/2 million GTX970s, and 1 million of each other card in the 9xx series of cards". What happens is NVidia determines how long of a chip manufacturing run they will have (based on time and resources, primarily).

Now as I understand it, graphic card chips are cast from silicon wafers. Normally, 50-60% of the chips cast from each wafer are non-functional. I'm guessing at the rest of these numbers, but I'd say around 25-35% are functional as low end chips (GT610, GT720, etc..). We'll say about 20-25% of the chips cast from each wafer perform well enough to become your mid-range cards (GTX660, GTX770, etc...). Only about 5-10% of the chips cast from each wafer is pure enough to function as a high-end card (GTX980, GTX970).

Now, certainly, NVidia has a good idea of what their output will be like, but their numbers are never certain. They may aim for 100,000 GTX980s, but they may only actually produce 50,000 before the end of the run (again, just guessing at numbers).

Hope this helps you understand a bit more.

-Wolf sends
 
I see now your a paid endorser/promoter so you just spin things to fit

I get it I make a hot new product that I got 100,000,000 bucks tied up in it producing it so I need to release it to recupe my money and earn a profit so I going to have it to where on release I only got 200 of them to sell ??????????? or I cant produce any more than 200 a month knowing I need to fill orders in the 1000's or I need to screw folks on this to cut my looses where I can cause something's wrong and things anit working out with the cards I got already made and I need to get them out of the warehouse and still make what money I can



 
you anit said nothing ..

look up what ?? nivida or who ever spends there money on products they cant produce ?? surly they got folks to look at all this ahead of pulling the trigger also its funny all the brands have the excat same issues with the cards witch leads to a designe error its not just evga it just as I stated above. its there card stated above I see the bad reviews being pulled to bolster the good reviews so it looks better then it really is this is one of the points of the thread

there making it look like the card is getting a lets say 86% positive review when its really getting a 54% that may hinder its sales -- undersatand??
 
wow -just look at all them 4-5 egg reviews now its like these cards have no issues at all and all is good I guess all them coil whine and fan issues with the 1-3 bad egg reviews been cleaned up just in time for black Friday sales also you see the price drop back to evga's msrp of $379 ??? ...

now tell me this anit a fix
 
looks like I'm not the only one seeing the price thing from newegg

5 out of 5 eggsPrice?





Pros: Good price for this TV + very nice specs

Cons: The price here has changed from 249 to 239 now 289 (as of 11/6/2014) and yet its been 249 on Sharps web page for the same time span about 4-5 weeks.

Other Thoughts: Don't raise the price just to put it on sale next week for what it was originally. COME ON MAN!

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