Need an upgrade, but what to? 8370 with exsisting mobo, or 4790k and new mobo?

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/k4dqWZ

the above is my build. as you can see i have a crossfire rig and it's posing some real bottleneck issues in games that require cpu performance leading to pretty bad stutter from all the cores reaching 100%. I'm already running 4.8ghz so it's time for an upgrade, but what to?

On one hand i can spend 200 dollars for an fx 8370 use it with my exsisting motherboard and overclock to 5ghz+ the frame rate wont improve much but will the stuttering stop?

On the other hand I could go with the 4790k for 340 (I know it's overkill but if i'm spending a lot on changing platforms I want it to last a few years max settings 60 fps) My theme is red and black and i obviously need crossfire support what would be a good board 250 or lower?

i'll be selling the mobo and cpu on Ebay ill get about 80 for the cpu and 180 for the motherboard so net costs would be 120 for the amd route or 350 or lower for intel route opinions?

Your time is appreciated fellow forum users!

Kohwali · Nov 10, 2014

Something in the middle like an i5-4690K isn't such a bad idea either. Get that along with an ASUS Maximus Hero VII and you'd be set.

Hyperthreading is only utilize in a handful of games - most games that are released now are ported over from consoles so the majority of developers won't be spending too much time developing PC to maximize its resources. I'm sure you know the GPU(s) does most of the heavy lifting for graphics anyways.

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

My thoughts were since both the ps4 and xbox one both utilize 8 cores, an 8 core (or 4 with hyper threading) would be the route to go since console ported games should now see benefits from 8 cores.

CTurbo · Nov 10, 2014

Well at first look, I think your psu is a little under powered for two 285s and an overclocked 125w cpu. That could be the cause of some of your issues. No other AMD cpu would give you any significant increases. I think you should give one of the i5s a look. No need for an i7 unless you just want to spend the money.

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

CTurbo :

I had the same suspicion about the psu so i lowered the power limit for the cards, it did nothing.

Kohwali · Nov 10, 2014

Nah, it's still not worth the extra $100 over an i5-4690K. By all means get an i7 if you're doing video editing and all that, but just for gaming it's not worth it. You could use the $100 you save and get an EVGA G2 850W to have more headroom, which by the way is a very good PSU. Rivals Seasonic because G2s are made by Super Flower (as well as the B2s and P2s).

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

I do trust EVGA power supplies i have a 500 watt sitting in my closet. i'll look into i5's a bit

Kohwali · Nov 10, 2014

Unless its a B2, G2, or P2, which it isn't, it's probably iffy as far as ripple suppression and voltage regulation go. EVGA makes some nice video cards though.

game junky · Nov 10, 2014

Which games are you getting the stutter on and what else are you doing in the background? Most CPU intensive games are massive RTS or large MMO environments where it is trying to keep track of a lot of different active characters and calculating variables for the environmental affects.

The 8370 is a decent option because it lets you keep using your existing platform and with the aid of that water cooler you should be able to keep a pretty stable overclock on that chip. I have been using an 8150 combined with an Nvidia 770 4GB with a massive air cooler and have yet to find a game that it can't handle hiccup-free. That CPU is more than capable of crushing everything on the market.

That being said, I encode my BD collection and that's when I see my 8150's temps get tested - it never hits 100% utilization but it gets pretty warm. If I were to design a rig today, I would probably go with a 4790k - quad core hyper-threaded is more than capable of multitasking and those chips outperform their cheaper AMD counterparts in most scenarios (they have some situation disadvantages in virtualization but it's a narrow issue).

With the money you're invested in your setup, I would stick with a 8370. It's not apples to apples in terms of price for the platforms, so take that as you will.

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

Kohwali :

After thorough research on how this psu was tested and rated at 650w i wouldn't bat an eye at throwing 800w at it i'm comfortable running it to the 650w rating. also i appreciate your insight on the I5 after looking some things up about it, it does seem more practical in most games, depending on how much money this extra seasonal job gets me i'll probably go with the i5

Kohwali · Nov 10, 2014

game junky :

Glad to help!

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

game junky :

Which games are you getting the stutter on and what else are you doing in the background? Most CPU intensive games are massive RTS or large MMO environments where it is trying to keep track of a lot of different active characters and calculating variables for the environmental affects.

The 8370 is a decent option because it lets you keep using your existing platform and with the aid of that water cooler you should be able to keep a pretty stable overclock on that chip. I have been using an 8150 combined with an Nvidia 770 4GB with a massive air cooler and have yet to find a game that it can't handle hiccup-free. That CPU is more than capable of crushing everything on the market.

That being said, I encode my BD collection and that's when I see my 8150's temps get tested - it never hits 100% utilization but it gets pretty warm. If I were to design a rig today, I would probably go with a 4790k - quad core hyper-threaded is more than capable of multitasking and those chips outperform their cheaper AMD counterparts in most scenarios (they have some situation disadvantages in virtualization but it's a narrow issue).

With the money you're invested in your setup, I would stick with a 8370. It's not apples to apples in terms of price for the platforms, so take that as you will.

the types of games you just mentioned, skyrim stutters sometimes, bf4 in multiplayer stutters really bad .

game junky · Nov 10, 2014

Skyrim is a beast on system resources, especially if you have mods and additional textures. BF3 can be the same if you have AA & motion blur turned up - another thing to consider is that it might be linked to maxing out the video memory for your card. With both crossfire and SLI, you only get to use the video memory of a single card and 2GB is going to be pushed to the limit if you have everything set on high with mods on Skyrim. Wonder if you're not seeing CPU spikes and stutters because the CPU is trying to compensate for video memory being maxed out to render an effect. Just something to look into

Guest · Nov 10, 2014

game junky :

I suspected as much as well so i turned settings down, with the same stuttering results and same fps in bf4 and only a slight fps gain in skyrim. I wish when i bought the cards i knew memory wasn't shared because that was my original thinking, now the cards won't last as long as I intended

game junky · Nov 10, 2014

Gotcha - you're not alone on that one, everyone thought that the first time they configured a dual-card setup. I don't think that would be symptomatic of a driver issue so maybe it really just needs a little more CPU power.

madmatt30 · Nov 11, 2014

Honestly think your issue is down to crossfire more than anything else - buying 2x2gb gpu's was a bad choice IMO.
You'd have been better off with a single 280x or better a gtx970.
I'm running a 970 on a 6300 clocked at 4.2ghz & there are no issues - the only game that won't frame lock at 60fps on max settings is dead rising 3 but thats an optimisation issue as we all know.
I'd personally sell the cards ,replace with a gtx 970.
If you're still not happy with performance up to a 8350 or 8370 CPU & over clock the ass off it is my advice.
You'll have plenty of PSU power left for a big big over clock once you dump the crossfire setup & it looks like you have excemment cooling.

Guest · Nov 11, 2014

i'm selling one card swapping out the psu to a weaker one keeping the stronger psu for a new build and selling this build to a guy at work who's running a 6 year old gaming pc. You're right though Matt i had too much money and not enough sleep when i configured it i was working 70-80 hours a week.

madmatt30 · Nov 11, 2014

Honestly think your issue is down to crossfire more than anything else - buying 2x2gb gpu's was a bad choice IMO.
You'd have been better off with a single 280x or better a gtx970.
I'm running a 970 on a 6300 clocked at 4.2ghz & there are no issues - the only game that won't frame lock at 60fps on max settings is dead rising 3 but thats an optimisation issue as we all know.
I'd personally sell the cards ,replace with a gtx 970.
If you're still not happy with performance up to a 8350 or 8370 CPU & over clock the ass off it is my advice.
You'll have plenty of PSU power left for a big big over clock once you dump the crossfire setup & it looks like you have excellent cooling.

Edit - reread your post properly.
A 6350 at 4.8ghz (if done properly with no throttling) will not impose a limit in any of those games seriously!! You'll be pulling at least i5 performance at those speeds.
Your either throttling under heavy load or its a crossfire issue - with the cpu hitting 100% in games I'd say its a throttling issue personally although I'm still also against crossfire when there are better options available.

Guest · Nov 11, 2014

madmatt30 :

no throttling, if anything it throttles up sometimes this board ups the bus speed to 201 or 202 mhz for no aparent reason sometimes hitting 4.816-4.832 ghz. It's a good chip and a solid overclock the issue is definitely not the overclock itself

Kohwali · Nov 11, 2014

madmatt30 :

The better option is SLI

Guest · Nov 11, 2014

Kohwali :

I'm going with 1 gtx 980 and upgrading to 2 when it drops to $400. quite frankly i'm tired of mid range pcs.

Kohwali · Nov 11, 2014

I'd recommend GTX 970 two-way SLI. Much better performance to price ratio. Much much better. Here are some benchmarks: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_970_sli_review,16.html

Guest · Nov 11, 2014

that was actually something i was considering, i'm just worried about the non sli supporting games, which there are quite a few.

game junky · Nov 11, 2014

I had a similar experience with SLI-ing dual 8800s - since crossfire and SLI essentially means that they work together to render individual frames: 1 frame on one card, 1 on the other card but it's alot like running a 3 legged race than a two-person sprint. You don't get double the performance, it's more like a 50% performance increase over the single card in terms of FPS. That's why we are seeing cards like the Titan featuring 2 GPUs in a single card - an even distribution of labor between each processor and twice the video memory of the card below them in succession so you can pump up the effects without worries about running out of video memory.

They're expensive, but I think we are going to see budget options available down the road now that they're making more resource efficient architecture - Maxwell is just the first step.

Guest · Nov 11, 2014

game junky :

I had a similar experience with SLI-ing dual 8800s - since crossfire and SLI essentially means that they work together to render individual frames: 1 frame on one card, 1 on the other card but it's alot like running a 3 legged race than a two-person sprint. You don't get double the performance, it's more like a 50% performance increase over the single card in terms of FPS. That's why we are seeing cards like the Titan featuring 2 GPUs in a single card - an even distribution of labor between each processor and twice the video memory of the card below them in succession so you can pump up the effects without worries about running out of video memory.

They're expensive, but I think we are going to see budget options available down the road now that they're making more resource efficient architecture - Maxwell is just the first step.

well the runners aren't working together very well in this race they keep stumbling over each other.

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