Best Air 1150 CPU Cooler for Mini-ITX Gaming system?

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Hello I'm building a Mini-ITX Gaming system, and I'm needing some help with picking which CPU Cooler I'm going to use.

Here is the system I'm rigging up:
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI Z97I Gaming AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Corsair Force Series GT 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card
Power Supply: Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Full (32/64-bit)
Mini-ITX Case: http://www.caselabs-store.com/mercury-s3-case/

There have it! I'm trying to find a good CPU Cooler that will fit into my case as well as provide the best heating for the money. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
~Mike
 
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It's a pretty personal thing. My last three motherboards were Gigabyte, Asus and ASRock so I have little brand allegiance, I just pick stuff based on features/pricing. I've been very fortunate to avoid the RMA process on any of them so my interactions have been limited.

If you search here (or in general) you'll find plenty of horror stories from most brands about terrible service. A recent one that springs to mind was a guy having issues with Asus because they kept telling him his "5 year warranty" motherboard actually had a 3 year warranty without any explanation. That's terrible and inexcusable but you'll find similar stories for most companies at their worst.

For coolers I'd probably look at those of a 120mm fan based design. The...

Rammy

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Yeah more or less any air cooler (some like the NH-D15 will be too wide for most/all ITX boards).
And then any 120/140/240/280mm rad based cooler (which is essentially any closed loop cooler).

Your build doesn't make a lot of sense though.
Non overclockable i5.
The Z97 motherboard with the worst cooler compatibility there is.
No dual channel memory.
Expensive SSD.
Needlessly large PSU (it's around double what you need).
Very expensive OS version (I assume this is an error).
Very expensive (and large) case really designed for custom loops.
 

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@Rammy, some of these parts are left overs from my previous system:

IE The PSU, SSD, OS, and DVD Drive are all from my previous system. I don't need to buy any of these; and I thought I'd rather use my older components than buy new ones.

Now to your other questions: This is my first time dealing with Intel for a gaming system. I've always used and would PREFER to use AMD for this system, but unfortunately they do not make any good gaming ITX motherboards that support the latest AMD CPUs... THey only support APUs which aren't much use to me. If you could give a brief explanation about why this chipset / motherboard is bad I'd be all ears.

Next; the no-dual channel memory; if I'm interpreting you correctly, you are asking why I only have one 8gb stick? That was strictly because I was worried that any cooler that was suggested might take up the first ram slot.

As for the non-overclockable i5; I'd have to say the same thing I said above. This is the first time I'm making an intel system; every other gaming rig I've ever had was AMD which didn't make me spend a HUGE amount of money for the processor. In my current rig I have an AMD Quad core Phenom II 3.2ghz which is "ok" for all games right now, but with it being around 6 years old, I need an upgrade. So which CPU would you suggest? I'm completely OK with upgrading my CPU at a later date if needed.

Lastly the case; after looking at every single mini-itx gaming case available I settled on the case labs one, mainly for it's large area. Right now I have a full size InWin Dragon slayer case; so anything smaller would be heaven in my view. I also got that case incase I wanted to add water cooling at some later point. with how customizable that case is, I can add and subtract items / sides from it with ease.

Getting back to the main topic; I do realize that any cpu fan would work, but I guess what I'm asking is: what is the best performing "mid-size" cpu cooler out there right now. I know the NH-D15 is a GREAT cooler, but I'm worried about it blocking ports due to it's huge size. Could you suggest any "less large" heatsinks?

Thanks!
~mike
 

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Z97 is a chipset which offers two main features over H97. Overclocking and SLI.
If you don't have a K-series CPU, then the first one of these (as well as the need for a substantial CPU cooler) is void and SLI is redundant on an ITX system. If you are intending to overclock then Z97 is the only option, but you'll need an i5-4690K.

The reason the MSI board is bad is because it locates the CPU socket too close to the PCIe slot. This means that most air coolers are not compatible with the board even though you have no issues with clearances in the case. A closed loop or custom loop water cooling solution won't have this problem, but the largest air cooler which will fit comfortably will probably be a 90-93mm tower cooler OR an awkwardly offset C-style cooler. Pretty much all MSI ITX boards are exactly the same in this aspect.

To the best of my knowledge there is no resource for ITX cooler compatibility. I'm actually working on something myself at the moment as it's a bit of a hobby of mine, but there's a load of information which you need to check to be 100% confident.
I'm a big fan of Noctua because they do check all of their coolers against all of the current generation motherboards and produce excellent compatibility lists which give you a good idea of what sort of size/style will work on a given board.

If you pick a board with a (fairly) central CPU socket like most Asus, ASRock and the more recent Gigabyte boards you can fit the vast majority of large air coolers. The reason I mentioned the NH-D15 is because it's the exception rather than the rule - it's 150mm wide which means it's always going to be overhanging or blocking something even though it is possible to mount on some ITX boards. It's predecessor, the NH-D14, fits on all of the boards I mentioned and by extension coolers with similar dimensions like the Phanteks PH-TC14 should work too.
Now these coolers are the extreme examples, but I direct you to those because anything smaller - be it single heatsink 140mm/120mm fan will fit on those boards without any issue and is probably going to make more sense from a practicality standpoint. Also, notice that neither of those (huge) coolers have major issues with RAM compatibility in the images I linked. Always go for a two stick kit (be it 2*4Gb or 2*8Gb as applicable to your needs) and avoid the ridiculously elaborate heatsinks which might cause you problems.
 

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Thanks for all of the information, since it seems like my motherboard is the problem, and I do want to overclock eventually if not immediately, which motherboard would you suggest I get for gaming. One of the main reasons why I wanted this motherboard was due to the "killer" ether net and the must have 7.1 analog sound built in. Any suggestions in that department?
 

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Pretty much all of the Z97 boards are going to achieve fairly similar overclocking results so it's partly going to be down to personal choice on the list of features.

There's not a lot of Z97 ITX boards so I'll run you quickly through my own preferences.
I'd rule out the two MSI boards (MSI Z97I AC and MSI Z97I Gaming AC) for the layout as previously mentioned.
I'd rule out the Gigabyte GA-Z97N-WIFI and ASRock Z97M-ITX/AC for being fairly sparse on features for Z97 boards, especially for the price (even though they are among the cheaper options).
I'd rule out the EVGA Z97 Stinger because it doesn't have Wifi. It might not matter to you much but it's basically a standard feature on premium ITX board due to lack of expansion.
I'd rule out the EVGA Z97 Stinger Wifi and the Maximus VII Impact as I don't think they are good value. The Impact especially is very impressive, with a huge list of features you'll probably never need but it's incredibly expensive - around double the cheaper Z97 boards price.


That leaves you with the ASRock Z97E-ITX/AC, Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 and Asus Z97I-PLUS. All of these are fairly similar in specs and all within a sensible price range. They should have similar cooler compatibility but I'd check as many sources as possible in advance to be sure. My personal favourite is probably the ASRock as it's usually the cheapest and has arguably the best featureset - it's the only one of the bunch to have both M.2 and SATA Express ports (new interface options) - but there's probably not a bad choice amongst those three.
 

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As you have thought I do not care much for wifi on the motherboard; but that's only because I'm sitting about 3 feet from the router. Out of all 3 of those brands which one would you say is the best. My current motherboard is also an MSI; and in the past their customer service has always been support great for me. I consider customer care and features equally when Im choosing my components so I'd love to here anyone's opinions on these brands.

My personal opinion for ASUS is mixed. I've had several motherboards that have worked GREAT from them, but I've also had several laptops where the mobo fried; which took me 11 weeks to get back. I haven't seen anything from gigabyte or ASRock, so again; any input would be great.

I'm also looking into the cpu cooler brands that you had posted in your previous post. Right now I have a Zalman 9700 which keeps my computer reasonably cool (23C Idle & 45 full load) If I can get something similar or even better out of a single fan'd heatsink from one of these brands I'd probably go with which ever one has the best customer care. Do both of the brands you mention have good single fan heatsinks, or should I not look at them?

Thanks again,
Mike
 

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It's a pretty personal thing. My last three motherboards were Gigabyte, Asus and ASRock so I have little brand allegiance, I just pick stuff based on features/pricing. I've been very fortunate to avoid the RMA process on any of them so my interactions have been limited.

If you search here (or in general) you'll find plenty of horror stories from most brands about terrible service. A recent one that springs to mind was a guy having issues with Asus because they kept telling him his "5 year warranty" motherboard actually had a 3 year warranty without any explanation. That's terrible and inexcusable but you'll find similar stories for most companies at their worst.

For coolers I'd probably look at those of a 120mm fan based design. The big double coolers I mentioned previously are 140mm fans which really covers up the board and makes it hard to install and to get access to SATA ports etc. A single tower in the vein of a Hyper 212 is likely plenty for you but if you want to spend more than both Noctua and Phanteks do well reviewed (if expensive) coolers of this type- the Phanteks PH-TC12 and Noctua U12S.
I'd probably avoid Zalman at the moment due to their legal troubles, just in case anything goes wrong and you get left out of pocket (I dunno anything about US consumer law).
 
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