question about TDP

gtadem

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Short version of my question: If I was running identical software on two computers whose only difference was that one had a video card rated at 60 TDP and the other one's was rated at 150 TDP, would the 150 TDP machine be running hotter because the video card was in fact stronger or would it run cooler because I'd be utilizing a lower percentage of its capabilities? Since TDP is not universally determined, I wanted to include that the cards in question were of the same line by the same manufacturer (though different generation).


Long version: The last time I rebuilt my PC, I hand picked components that were relatively low power to achieve low heat, to make the use of quieter AIR cooling solutions more realistic. I was very pleased with the results, which included a power supply whose fan never needs to come on, thermistor controlled case fans that almost never need to come on, and a fanless, gaming class video card (Radeon HD 7750 by Sapphire, which had replaced me fanless Radeon HD 4670 by Sapphire).

I've been considering upgrading the video card. My pursuit for fanless models has been a frustrating one despite nVidia's release of Maxwell architecture at the beginning of this year making it a more realistic option than ever. I have found a GTX750Ti by Palit. However, Palit doesn't sell to the US. Also, Amazon.co.uk says they cannot ship it to the US, even though they can ship the non-Ti version to the US despite it having identical shipping weight/dimensions!? I've been in contact with them to figure out which item was the erroneously classified one.

When I revised my criteria from fanless to quiet, I was pointed in the direction of Asus's Strix series, which has a robust pipe/heatsink system AND fans that will only come on when necessary. I think I'm willing to give this a try and want to do what I can to make sure those fans are off as much as possible because what other PCers/gamers consider to be quiet is rather annoying to me. Case in point, my only continuous fan right now is on the processor, and it is a 600-700 RPM model. I can hear that it's on, but usually ambient drowns it out well enough.

Anyways, within the Strix line, I'm currently eyeballing their GTX750Ti and the "newly" released GTX970. The 750Ti would be a significant step up for me as it is. The 970 is significantly stronger still. It has newer tech and would generally be better from a future-proofing standpoint (such as that is with PC components). What gives me pause (besides the price tags) is that their TDP ratings are substantially different. Namely 60W and 145W respectively.

At first glance, I was ready to abandon the 970 for price and TDP alone. However, I got to thinking that because the 970 is significantly stronger, would this mean that what I use it for would make it cooler, leaving the fans off more often? If so, it might be worth the extra expense for the extra quiet. Or is it like comparing an 8 cylinder engine to a 4 cylinder in that it would consume more juice (produce more heat) in idle as a result of it being stronger?

For what it's worth, I very rarely do video editing. Beyond that, the most intensive thing I use my PC for is playing Skyrim, which my current video card handles just fine on medium settings with numerous mods installed.
 
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In that case, the 970 should run cooler as you won't be using much of its resources, but if you get satisfactory performance with the HD 7750, there's little reason to get the 970. The 750 Ti has a bit more value.

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The GTX 970 is an amazing card. The TDP is extremely low for the quality of a card that you get.

The 750 Ti does use 65W which is a good low. But compare the GTX 780Ti at a whomping 250W, and the GTX 970 at only 145W. The GTX 970 cards are also extremely quite. Some unfortunately have been riddled with coil whine, but that is not a small portion of the reviews, and from my own personal experience with the card I have not had any at all.

If you want the best bang for your buck at a high end performance, the GTX 970 is where it is at.
-Lower TDP and generally cheaper than the equivalent high end cards.
 
TDP is the amount of power any given component uses. For example, a CPU with a 54 watt max TDP can (technically) only use up to 54 watts.
I would strongly recommend the 970 as it's much better than any old card in gaming. Plus, with its sub-150 watt TDP, it won't consume too much power.
If you're looking for quietness, then the Strix would be the way to go as it effectively has a sort of ''zero-RPM'' mode when the fans don't spin unless the load goes above a certain level.
Just because a certain part has a certain TDP doesn't mean that it's going to use all of that. When in idle, not doing anything, the GPU will use 50> watts. When in load, it can go up to ~150 and even more if you overclock.
 

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Thank you for the quick responses! I apologize if I wasn't clear in my post. I'm not looking for bang for my buck. I'm looking for silent. It will definitely be a Strix. My question though is will the 145 TDP card run hotter because it's stronger or cooler because it's using a lower percentage of its resources? By hotter or cooler, I mean relative to the 60 TDP card running the exact same stuff.
 

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The GTX 970s are very silent for the power that they use. That is going to be your best choice at this current moment in time.
 

When the usage increases, the power consumption goes up.
 

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I appreciate that you guys want to help. However, do you see that what you've posted does not answer the question?

Think of an 8 cylinder engine vs a 4 cylinder engine. The 8 cylinder will always consume more fuel. However, it can also do the same amount of work at lower RPMs. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison though.

Or how about a hard drive with Windows on it? If you have 1 GB of information on your drive, you're going to get more performance out of a 20 GB drive than you would a 1.2 GB drive since you'd have more empty space for the OS to page into, etc.

I think it's reasonable to anticipate that the higher TDP would always run hotter because it's a stronger card. I think it's reasonable to anticipate that the higher TDP would always run cooler since I'd be making use of a lower percentage of its resources. Both of these cannot be true at the same time. So I ask the question in hopes that somebody that knows how these things work for certain answer it.
 

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This isn't absolutely true. Different companies measure TDP differently. I don't know exactly how Asus does it for their Strix line, but it can range from heat needed to dissipate at full load, heat needed to dissipate under "normal conditions," etc. It could be (doesn't look like it) that because the 145 TDP is higher than the 60, it has a larger fin/tube block, meaning it would run cooler.

Say I'm playing Skyrim. Say that would require me to make use of 50% of the 60 TDP card's resources. Say it would only require me to make use of 33% of the 145 TDP card. Will the 145 TDP card run hotter because it's stronger? Would it run cooler because it needs to make use of less resources to do the same work? I don't know, but I'd like to find out. I do know that even if "higher TDP = higher heat" were absolutely true, this still wouldn't answer the question.

It's okay if you don't know. It's kind of not okay to dilute the thread, making it harder for people who would know to locate the important pieces of information. Again, I appreciate your enthusiasm. I don't think you can answer the question though.
 
Actually, the more power something consumes, the more heat it generates (unless you have good cooling).
If you go by the 8-cylinder vs 4-cylinder analogy, the 8-cylinder engine would use twice as much gas as a 4-cylinder, but it would be more powerful.
 

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1. <Mod Warning: Watch your language in these forums>
2. Full TDP at 145W v 60W will be hotter when cooling is not put into the equation
3. It does answer his question. He wants a very quiet system based on the amount of power needing to be used
 

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I'm not just looking for very quiet, I'm looking for silent. I'd go with the Palit fanless GTX750Ti if there was a way to get it in the US without shelling out what I would for a GTX970 anyways.

Still need to know which of these cards would have the fans OFF the most please.
 

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lol. I'm not sure what the point of that video is. I've been talking about Strix the entire time. You don't need to sell me on it, or the fact that the 970 is stronger than the 750Ti. I'm trying to figure out which of the two Strix cards would have the fans completely off for more of the time. Please, let somebody who can answer the question chime in. It feels like I'm talking to brick walls.
 
Both have zero-RPM modes, but since I don't own either of them, I can't really tell you which one performs the quieter.
I would strongly recommend the 970 version, and even though it consumes more power and emits (technically) more heat, the cooler will keep it cool.
 

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On what basis? You haven't demonstrated that you understand what my desires are with regards to my upcoming video card purchase.
 

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But if the 970 runs hotter, the fans will be on more often, and it will not be as quiet. Meaning it would not better suit my needs. Meaning that unless you know for sure that it does not run hotter, you cannot recommend the 970 and think you're addressing the thread. How does somebody that can't answer an either/or thread post six times in it?
 
The 970 does run (a bit) hotter as it's a more powerful card, so the fans will (theoretically) be off for a shorter amount of time. Something I don't understand is that how can you hesitate between the 75o Ti and the 970 because of a noise issue.
 

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I konw. It's that lack of understanding that has led you to disregard the only purpose of the thread for seven posts now. Even though I already explained how: I currently run a Radeon HD 7750 and it meets my every need despite the 750Ti being about 60% stronger than it.

I know that a 970 would run hotter at full capacity. That's why I've made it clear so many times that I'm not sure how you could pretend I haven't: Would the 970 running at a lower percentage of its total resources mean that it would actually run cooler than the 750Ti? Again, since my 7750 does everything I need it to, there's no question that either card would not be getting pushed all that hard.

It's my computer. I can meticulously choose to have as few fans running as possible as much as I'd like whether you understand it or not. That doesn't mean you get to derail the thread. Furthermore, with the advent of Shuttle cases (early 2000's) and the home theater PC, I'm not alone in this endeavor. So please, let it go since you are unable (and now clearly unwilling) to help.