Intel i5 4690k are the temps and voltage ok?

vulcanraven

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Hello guys i just Oc my i5 4690k to 4.7ghz and 1.35 V with a CM hyper 212 Evo in the stress test with prime95 my max temp is 60C and with Aida64 is 50C, im checking the temps with the Asus Ai 3 suite, my mobo is a asus Z97-k, are those temps ok? and is 1.35v a good volt? for a 24/7 use
 
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vulcanraven,

Something definitely doesn't add up.

AI suite is not the way to read your processor temperatures. I suspect that it's wrong by 30C! AI Suite is reading CPU temperature, not Core temperature. Use Core Temp or Real Temp to read your Core temperatures.

Also, 16C-25C (60.8F-77.0F)is a very wide window. What exactly is your ambient temperature?

1.35 Vcore is way too high. On mid-level air like your 212 EVO, 1.35 should instantly peg your Core temperatures at 100C causing your processor to throttle! Have you observed "Core Speed" in CPU-Z during Prime95 Small FFT's?

Also, I question your test methods. Which version of Prime95 ... and which torture test?

There's a proper way to test your rig...

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Yeah 60 degrees is not the best (40-50's would be insanely great) but 60 degrees is still not bad either (If it got up to high 70's and 80's then id be worried). You are fine with the temps

The 1.35V is decent voltage as well.

Congratulations on the 4.7GHz OC bro
 

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vulcanraven,

Something definitely doesn't add up.

AI suite is not the way to read your processor temperatures. I suspect that it's wrong by 30C! AI Suite is reading CPU temperature, not Core temperature. Use Core Temp or Real Temp to read your Core temperatures.

Also, 16C-25C (60.8F-77.0F)is a very wide window. What exactly is your ambient temperature?

1.35 Vcore is way too high. On mid-level air like your 212 EVO, 1.35 should instantly peg your Core temperatures at 100C causing your processor to throttle! Have you observed "Core Speed" in CPU-Z during Prime95 Small FFT's?

Also, I question your test methods. Which version of Prime95 ... and which torture test?

There's a proper way to test your rig. Please thoroughly read this Tom's Sticky: Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html


From the Guide:

" ... Section 1 - Introduction

Whether you overclock or not, the topic of processor temperatures can be very confusing. Intel desktop processors have thermal sensors for each Core, plus a sensor for the entire processor, so a Dual Core has 3 sensors. Heat originates within the Cores where Digital sensors measure Core temperatures. A single Analog sensor under the Cores measures overall CPU temperature.

Core temperature is 5C higher than CPU temperature due to sensor location. The relationship between Core temperature and CPU temperature is shown in engineering documents. The Thermal Specification is "Tcase", which is CPU temperature. Tcase for the i5 4690K is 72C. Tcase + 5 makes the Core temperature 77C. ...


Section 2 - Ambient Temperature

Also called "room" temperature, this is the temperature measured at your computer's air intake. Standard Ambient temperature is 22C. This is a very critical measurement, because Ambient directly affects all computer temperatures. Use a trusted analog, digital or IR thermometer to measure Ambient temperature.

Here's the temperature conversions and a short scale:

Cx9/5+32=F ... or ... F-32/9x5=C ... or more simply ... an increase of 1C = an increase of 1.8F

30.0C = 86.0F Hot
29.0C = 84.2F
28.0C = 82.4F
27.0C = 80.6F
26.0C = 78.8F Warm
25.0C = 77.0F
24.0C = 75.2F
23.0C = 73.4F
22.0C = 71.6F Standard ... or ... 22.2C = 72.0F
21.0C = 69.8F
20.0C = 68.0F Cool

As Ambient temperature increases, thermal headroom and overclocking potential decreases.


Section 3 - CPU Temperature

Also called "Tcase", this is the temperature shown in Intel's Thermal Specification - http://ark.intel.com/ It's measured on the surface of the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) under tightly controlled laboratory conditions at 22C Standard Ambient. For lab testing only, a groove is cut into the surface of the IHS where a "thermocouple" which measures temperatures, is embedded at the center. The stock cooler is seated and a steady-state 100% workload is applied. Peak temperature is reached within 10 minutes.

Since there's no thermocouple on any processors outside Intel's labs, a single Analog Thermal Diode located in the center under the Cores is used to substitute for a thermocouple. This sensor measures "CPU" temperature, which is the overall temperature of the entire processor. The Analog value is converted to Digital (A to D) by the Super I/O (Input / Output) chip on the motherboard, then is calibrated to look-up tables coded into BIOS for each socket-compatible processor.

CPU temperature in BIOS is higher than in Windows at idle, because BIOS starts the processor at boot voltage to ensure that it can initialize under any conditions. The monitoring utilities provided by motherboard manufacturers on your Driver DVD reads CPU temperature. Thermal code can vary greatly between BIOS suppliers and version updates, and can be wrong by up to 30C. BIOS or CPU temperature may not be accurate.


Section 8 - Overclocking and Vcore

Overclocked processors can reach up to 150% of their Thermal Design Power (TDP) when using manual Core voltage (Vcore) settings, so high-end air or liquid cooling is critical. Every processor is unique in it's overclocking potential, voltage tolerance and thermal behavior.

Regardless, excessive Vcore and temperatures will result in accelerated "Electromigration" - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Electromigration - which prematurely erodes the traces and junctions within the processor's layers and nano-circuits. This will eventually result in blue-screen crashes, which will become increasingly frequent over time.

CPU's become more susceptible to Electromigration with each Die-shrink, so 22 Nanometer architecture is less tolerant of over-volting. Nevertheless, Vcore settings should not exceed the following:

-> Core 2

1st. Generation 65 Nanometer ... 1.50 Vcore
2nd Generation 45 Nanometer ... 1.40 Vcore

-> Core i

1st. Generation 45 Nanometer ... 1.40 Vcore
2nd Generation 32 Nanometer ... 1.35 Vcore
3rd Generation 22 Nanometer ... 1.30 Vcore
4th Generation 22 Nanometer ... 1.30 Vcore

When tweaking your processor near it's highest overclock, keep in mind that for an increase of 100 MHz, a corresponding increase of approximately 40 to 50 millivolts (0.040 to 0.050) is required. ... "


CT :sol:
 
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I actualy have a 4790k @ 4.6ghz 1.25V and a hyper 212 evo.
The temps are around 60c when runing aida64 stres test.
but I have 2 120mm fans on it and a HAF X case with 4 200mm fans and a 140mm fan on the back
 

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Is that 60C at the CPU or the cores?

I'm asking because for me, CPU-Z is indicating a CPU temp of 37C and CORE temps of 61C-67C at peak load (running a HandBrake transcode). That's a 30C difference, which is well outside of Intel's "+5" formula. I'm using the stock cooling and stock configuration (3.5-3.9 gig auto turbo mode).

 

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Core i5 4690k here with EVO 212 running 1.25 vCore @ 4.6ghz, temp average = 32 - 40C, full load *Games games games* around 45 - 60 (Prime 95 1hr = 85 max, hovered around 75, IntelBurnTest 80 max, dropping sharply to 50 when test winded down each run). So, the 4690k can be a great, stable OC'er, upping vCore to 1.3 is unecessary unless you're working down from that to find stability.

EDIT: Forgot to mention these temps were recorded by CPUID HWMonitor AND CoreTemp not an over-estimate.
 

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http://valid.x86.fr/3iychq

Board = Gigabyte UD5H-Z97X-BK
Case = NZXT Phantom (Original 2x 200m fans top, 2x 120mm side, 1x 140 rear, 1x 140mm front bottom intake, intake fans set to medium on controller, top fans set laxed so as to not pull too much air from the rear exhaust and scramble airflow un-necessarilly).
 

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That's the problem.

Do NOT run any versions of Prime95 later than 26.6. Here's why:

Core i 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation CPU's have AVX (Advanced Vector Extension) instruction sets. Recent versions of Prime95, such as 28.5, run AVX code on the Floating Point Unit (FPU) math coprocessor, which produces unrealistically high temperatures. The FPU test in the software utility AIDA64 shows the same results.

Prime95 v26.6 produces temperatures on 3rd and 4th Generation processors more consistent with 2nd Generation, which also have AVX instructions, but do not suffer from thermal extremes due to having a soldered Integrated Heat Spreader and a 35% larger Die.

Please download Prime95 version 26.6 - http://windows-downloads-center.blogspot.com/2011/04/prime95-266.html

Run only Small FFT’s for 10 minutes.

Use only Real Temp to measure your Core temperatures, as it was designed specifically for Intel processors: Real Temp - http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/2089/real-temp-3-70/

Your Core temperatures will test 10 to 20C lower with v26.6 than with v28.5.

Please read this Tom’s Sticky: Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

Thanks,

CT :sol:
 

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Good call, real temp measured around 71 max at 5 mins (Just a quick test). Ran small FFTs for 5 minutes and the temperature never broke 71c. As to where if I ran smallFFTs in 2.85, my processor reached almost 90 at which point I cut it off because that's too much heat.
 

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Thanks for the advice Comp!, I typically try to emulate real usage scenarios and when I upgraded to the core i5 recently, I was pretty shaken by the temps I was getting with new Prime95. I then started to do some research into scenario benching rather than torture testing and found that following Anandtech and HardOC's practical tests revealed I wasn't pushing too hard. But now that I know I can run smallFFTs for extended periods of time and really determine stability over longterm, I'll definitely work towards that.
 

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Great call Comp, I'm spreading this to overclockers and HardOCP if it hasn't already. Save a lot of people from burning out their CPU or getting too low of an overclock based on erroneous data.
 

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CompuTronix I'm replying to your post because i need some suggestions. I'm running an ASUS Z97-A motherboard with an i5 4690K CPU. I've installed an enermax Liqtech 240 liquid cooling system on the CPU.
I've read your post and your temp guide and i have an issue i'm unable to figure out. I overclocked the CPU from 3.5GHz stock to 4.0GHz at about 1.15v. The system ran very stable at with my overclocking. Next, I ran prime95 version 24 along with realtemp and doing small FFTs in my torture test I got core temps of about 60-65C. after reading your posts i ran Prime95 26.6 and my core temps shot up to 95-100C within 1 minute of torture testing. I was shocked especially since im running the enermax liquid cooling system. I also tried prime95 version 28.5 and my temps were still too high. after those results i lowered my overclock to 3.7GHz and my realtemp software shows the core temps still at 85 - 90C. It seems i possibly have something wrong. Do you have any suggestions? Does anyone else in the forum here have a suggestion?
I'm considering pulling apart the liquid cooling system and checking the thermal paste but i'm pretty sure i did it correctly.
Thank you in advanced for your suggestions
 

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Is that your answer? Don't dig up old threads? Your last post was a month ago. How is that an old thread? I'm trying to get some help on my problem and i came across this thread that you give advice on testing my overclock temps. Since your post on what prime95 version to use on Feb 10th is 30 days old does that mean your suggestion isnt current enough to follow for accuracy? Do you have any advice to extend to me regarding my issue? Should i not be using RealTemp software as suggested either? Do you want me to create a brand new thread and you'll respond to that?
 

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Yes, thank you. Starting your own thread is the appropriate action.

Please include your full system specs and ambient temperature.

P.M. me with a link and I'll be glad to help you.

CT :sol: