Building new rig max 600$

M1kss

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I asked here already and I just wonder if anything changed. I am mostly playing MMORPG's but also I do some other work with video. I already have windows and I wonder if I could get i5 for this price rang.

this is what you posted me few months ago. Can I just replace i3 with an i5 and leave everything else the same?

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($118.93 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($48.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $593.81
 

MT6Anime

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I've absolutely no idea. Also the exchange rate will bump up the price I'm sure.
 

M1kss

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I will pay with paypal and I have $ there so I think this will not be a problem. If there is anyone more, please check it if it will be okay for me, more eyes the better. Thanks!!
 

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That's sad but that's the way it is. Even if some US store will be shipping to your country you would propably need to pay duty fee - in m country it may be even 23% of package's value. Here is something I selected only from amazon UK so you wouldn't have to switch vendors and pay a fortune for shipping. Unfortunetly it's over the budget but going lower seems pointless, it already has crappy case and no SSD but the essentials are good quality.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£75.06 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£61.78 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston Fury White Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£59.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (£150.23 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£62.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £504.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-29 13:41 GMT+0000
 

mdocod

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i3/i5's are much better for running MMO's than FX chips. Don't be fooled by core count and ghz, they are not measures of execution performance or execution resources, especially not for these workloads.

The original plan to go with an i3 + 750Ti is a smart move for MMO performance. Switching to any budget FX chip + AMD GPU will cut minimum FPS in compute bound conditions in HALF.
 

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i5 is over the budget and i3 will not be enough for future games while FX-6300 will definitely be enough for current games. Why PS4 and XboxOne have 8 core CPUs? It's finally starting to happen. Get AMD - it will serve you longer.
 

mdocod

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You're letting superficial specifications get the best of you.

The PS4/Xbox do not have 8 cores CPUs, they have 2 x 4 core CPUs on a proprietary HSA/hUMA platform. The AM3+ platform and software that runs on it is NOTHING like that at all. Buying into high core count on the desktop for real-time workloads because you see lots of cores in a gaming console is what happens when you let misinformed intuition guide your hardware selection.

The PS4 and Xbox one can not be compared to desktop PC hardware. It's largely irrelevant to existing and future desktop software. Software compiled for the desktop has to be compiled for compatibility across the broad range of hardware out there. Software compiled for the game console, can be optimized specifically for that hardware. They can even include scheduling optimizations to ensure that the right pieces of code are executed on specific cores in order to ensure the best use of available resources. Furthermore, they can compile all of the software with high levels of instruction optimization, leveraging the HSA advantages, and nothing but the best instructions for particular tasks on that fixed hardware.

Ironically, the combined execution performance of all 8 cores in those consoles, is comparable to an i3... Since software developed and compiled for desktop PCs must always be built for compatibility, the best way to mimic the performance of a console, is to consolidate the execution performance into more powerful cores so that the availability of execution performance to any one thread is higher, which helps solve for the lack of scheduler and instruction optimizations that are all thrown out the window when software is compiled for the desktop.

MMO development rarely gets AMD platform specific optimizations, as they have to be hand written into the code (creating a fork for different types of hardware). In an ideal world, the compiler would build optimized forks for existing hardware, but this is not the case currently. The only time we see this sort of optimization in games for AMD CPU's, is when AMD is involved in the development of the software. Historically speaking, AMD has not been involved in MMO development. To make matters worse, devs for MMOs tend to be more interested in maximizing compatibility with older hardware, than making it run great on newer hardware, because from their perspective, they are creating more potential subscribers by making the software run mediocre on lots of hardware, than fantastic on some hardware.

Real-time workload performance can never scale perfectly with core count, it's not possible. We have a combination of Amdahl's law and a throttle (time-line) preventing perfect scaling. As it would turn out, an i3-4150 offers up to 50% higher execution throughput than an FX-6300 to any single thread, while an FX-6300 only offers up to 25% more combined execution throughput than the i3-4150. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has studied the differences in execution resources between these CPUs. The i3 has about 80% of the execution resources of the FX-6300, consolidated into 2 cores. The brute force big-core advantage of the i3 outweighs the advantage of the FX-6300's many-cores in real-time workloads.
 

M1kss

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Great! Thank you! Could anyone set up a computer from .uk or .de or in case it is cheaper in USA with 21% added also possible from there. But often they don't want to send.
 

M1kss

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They just said that it would not be smart to take this CPU over i3. Also you could do 2 versions one with i3 and one with i5 so I see the diference. I really rather ask here than just build myself as I think I could fuck something up and it would not match? All i3's and i5's goes to the same motherboard?
 

MT6Anime

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Yes they did and while on some level hes right he is also completely wrong. The reason Intel i5, series beats out most AMD CPUs is because most games today are single threaded and since AMD focuses on multi-thread they get a little bit of a drawback. However the industry of gaming as a whole is slowly moving towards multi-threaded gaming. Second point here is that I gave you a much more powerful CPU than the fx-6300 here are some benchmarks showing the CPU I put in here performing similarly to an i5. Please keep in mind that while the i5 beats it by a bit it is also twice the cost.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/441/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8320_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-3570K.html
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-vs-AMD-FX-8320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26UKz42uQ1Y

Trust me when I say that this build is more than fine if you had a bigger budget I would have included an i5 though but as it stands I believe this will give you the best bang for your buck.
 

M1kss

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This is way over now. But there is one more thing I forgot to mention. At home I already have 640gb disc and 620W power supply like 6 years old if they could come to a use? Or it would be a problem and bottleneck?
 

MT6Anime

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I would definitely NOT use a six year old power supply or that disc. And I am sorry for it going over budget let me make a build thats within it. Although I got to say those prices over there a ludicrous.