Asrock n68 s3 fx + amd fx 6300, Maybe a bad combination?

Tsuyoshi · Nov 27, 2014

Hello to all of you.

i am new here, this is my first thread.

Well, i have a question, some time ago, about 3 weeks, my mother gave me a pc with a asrock motherboard, i changed then the old processor, a sempron and put a new one, a fx 6300.

After little research, i found that maybe this was a mistake.
I regret that decision.
People told me that that motherboard is old, weak, not apropriate to a fx processor, despite motherboard specifications.

Well, i think you understand my situation.

To add more to this, i have constant bsod, cpu performance seems poor, fan rotation sound is loud sometimes, very annoying.

So, what should i do?

Thank you in advance.

Chicano · Nov 27, 2014

Where did you read that crap... if the CPU Support List includes the FX-6300, it should run well... you may have to update the BIOS though..
1. if your BIOS is not P1.20 or more recent, you need to update it.
2. It may also need better cooling... a loud fan with poor performance and bsods, can be indication of poor cooling.
3. If that doesn't do it, you may need to check everything from; BIOS settings particularly on CPU temp and fan speed, to; hardware power and data connections.
4. to Windows Power Options Settings, and general Windows health and performance.
5. You also have to check Hard Drive health... use Hard Disk Sentinel, performance should be high close to 100% and health should be as close to 100% possible or "Excellent", or at least should say "Good".

AM3+ FX - FD6300WMW6KHK - 95W - Vishera - 3500MHz - 2000MHz - 2MBx3 - 8MB - C0 - P1.20 http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68-S3%20FX/?cat=CPU

Cristi72 · Nov 27, 2014

Hello,

You are right, that motherboard is no match for an FX CPU (only 3-phase VRM with no additional heatsinks). However, try first to upgrade the BIOS to the latest version, use an aftermarket CPU cooler and improve the airflow around the CPU socket (check the CPU temperature in BIOS, you should have 50 C max.). Also, be sure you have a decent PSU from a well-known manufacturer (go into BIOS and check the +12V voltage).

Tsuyoshi · Nov 27, 2014

Chicano, thank you for you quick reply!

well, i read about that in some websites... i really don´t know about the veracity about them.
i think you are right, maybe i need a better colling.
because i scanned the HD and found no virus, tested with 2 HD´s, still having bsod.
updated the drivers, and bios seems to be p1.20 as well.
memory module looks like ok too.

so, about cooling... i´ll see what i can do.

Cristi72: thank you for your reply, my psu is a low quality one.
i made a test with newegg psu calculator, and i realize that i need a new psu.

thank you guys, you are really helpful. when i have the results i will post here again.
is just that i need some more time for that.

Tsuyoshi · Dec 11, 2014

hello, after some days, i´ve made some tests.
bought a new cooler for processor, and a new power supply.
the temps seems to be ok, no more loud noises.
i think this problem is solved, but...

in the first day, blue screen again... after a 3 hours of use.
so i had a idea, and put out the memory module and put another.

and for 5 days, no more blue screens... though i had some serious memory leaks for 3 times, in 3 different days.
had to restart, because windows become irresponsible... but after 2 more times, i managed to close some process to avoid this.

my question is: can i assume that the problem was the memory module?
if so, what is the best memory module for my motherboard?
if i buy any, there will be incompatibility?
hope you guys could help me on this!

thank you in advance!

Cristi72 · Dec 11, 2014

Tsuyoshi :

I wouldn't think the memory module is to blame; after all, before using the FX, it worked well with the Sempron. On the other hand, there is a possibility that the FX has some compatibility issues with the old memory (especially if it is DDR3-1066 or it needs 1,65 Volts); try to activate Compatibility mode from BIOS. What make/model are your DIMMs?

FX-6300 works with DDR3 up to 1866MHz, but for best compatibility with the motherboard use only DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600. A pair of DDR3-1600 CL9 DIMMs will be ideal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226217 (this is an example, you can go with any other memory kit, the motherboard supports up to 16 GB).

Tsuyoshi · Dec 11, 2014

Cristi72, my memory module was a markvision mvd34096mld13 4gb... Now im testing with a 2gb, but i dont know the model.

I will try to do what you sugested.
And thankyou for the link.

Chicano:

About harddisk sentinel software, i gave it a try, and seems to be ok on all tests, i tested 2 hard disks.

Everything seems to be normal.

lfkfkfkffs · Dec 11, 2014

I think if you ever have any problems monitor the temps of the vrm's on the motherboard. It doesn't have that great of a power phase, and it also lacks proper heatsinks for an FX chip. These two things are the most important parts of running with any AMD chip. Even though the chip itself is only 95w I really wouldn't recommend running it on that board because I doubt that board can keep constant power to the chip with the lack of vrms, and also you are stressing vrms that have no heat spreaders. Use hardware monitor and watch the VRM temps and I bet you anything they will either A. Be very high or B. Your processor will be underclocking itself to say safe.

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

The memory module seems to have been the problem, specially if it's a single module... some motherboards don't run well on a single RAM module. Another possibility is that it may have been incorrectly installed (if it was not pressed hard enough on the socket when it was installed).

If you're using a single RAM module try them both, the one you removed and the one you're using now. And make sure to install them correctly: When installing the RAM, press harder on one side till the plastic latch snaps on by itself, then press on the other side so it also snaps/clicks on. Follow with the second RAM module.

Tsuyoshi · Dec 12, 2014

lfkfkfkffs:

i´ve been thinking about changing my old motherboard to a new one...
some guy here on tomshardware in another thread said one could damage the fx processor, due the asrock n68 s3...
i really don´t know, in truth i know so little about computers.
i will check vrms temp. thank you for your help.

Chicano:

thank you once more for your help, and yes, it is a single memory module...
but really i think it was correctly installed on plastic latch, even a friend i have, installed for me once...
i tried both slots, the results were the same.
there´s some problem with that memory, if the problem it is because installed single or not, i don´t know...
i will try install both together.

well, time will tell my friends.
when i get a different result, i post here again.

thank you.

Tsuyoshi · Dec 12, 2014

lfkfkfkffs:

i have the results from hardware monitor, but for me is a mess that i can´t understand...
how should i post the results here?

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

Copy and paste the log text in this website; https://justpaste.it/ save it, and post the link here.

Or take a screenshot and upload it here: http://tinypic.com/

Tsuyoshi · Dec 12, 2014

Chicano, thank you!

http://justpaste.it/ieyq
http://justpaste.it/ieyt

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

For starters, voltages seem within parameters... some are not specified but seem whithin normalll parameters...

Temperatures are normal..

The CPU clock speed is at 1406.2 MHz so it must be underclocked by the BIOS Power Saving Options... you need to configure that.

The CPU Multiplier x Bus Speed is at 7.0 x 200.9 MHz underclocked.

There's a lot more irrelevant information... so fix these BIOS settings... to do them all at once, reset the BIOS with Battery off for 5 to 10 minutes and remove the AC power cable, and press the computer power button and hold it for some 30 seconds so motherboard capacitors drain residual voltage... that should erase any user settings from the BIOS and reset it to factory default settings.

If you still have issues after that install CPUID for clearer and concise system information, take screenshots of it's tabs and upload them to tynipic.com

Tsuyoshi · Dec 12, 2014

Wait Chicano, are you serious?
Processor is underclock at that level?
Is that why performance is poor?
Well, now that you mention it, i recall having a intel dual core e5700 3000ghz clock speed, and whas great!

Now about reseting bios to default factory settings seems to be a dangerous stunt for me.
sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but is it safe for a begginer like me to do it?

I want to use default clock speed, i think im gonna give a shot!

Thank you again Chicano.

lfkfkfkffs · Dec 12, 2014

Your processor isn't underclocked in the bios if you ran something like a burn in test that clock speed would be throttling, if you are idle that would be the power savings mode for the fx chips.

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

Right, that's what the report says. The FX-6300 should leave the E5700 in the dust, so it should be even greater.

It's perfectly safe to reset the BIOS. Just discharge yourself from static buildup on a water faucet or any metal object preferably making contact with the ground.. metal fense for example, right before touching the motherboard. And keep touching the computer metal case frequently while touching the motherboard and components. If possible keep a hand touching the case at all times while not using it... and for extra security avoid touching exposed component contacts.

Remove the AC power cord from the PSU before opening the case, next open the case, remove the motherboard battery, next push the power button and hold it pressed for at least 30 seconds, preferably for a minute... wait for the 5 to 10 minutes to go by.. and put everything back together.

Download CPUID to check the CPU clock speed, and you may also want to check the Widows Control Panel \ Power Options \ Power Plans \ and if on the Power Saver Plan, select and set the Balanced Plan, and you can set the High Performance Plan when gaming for better CPU performance and cooling. Once you know your way around this setting you can quickly change the power plan as needed.

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

lfkfkfkffs :

If you see the System Info Report on the Just Paste it link, you will see it says:

Core Speed 1406.2 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 7.0 x 200.9 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1004.4 MHz
Stock frequency 3500 MHz

7.0 is not the stock multiplier... it should be around 17-18, So, the CPU is underclocked. I grant you the BIOS power saving is probably underclocking it, but it should also allow the CPU to speed up to normal and that is the problem the OP is having, poor performance is the main issue here.. so the BIOS has to be reset for that setting to be corrected. It could be done changing the BIOS settings manually, but just read what OP is saying and tell me if you feel he can confidently do it.

lfkfkfkffs · Dec 12, 2014

it isn't underclocked it is just the power savings if they run something while doing the test it would speed up unless it is being throttled

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

Read my last answer... OP is having perforance issues... that means the CPU is not speeding up when necessary.

Tsuyoshi · Dec 12, 2014

Wait, now im little confused, is downclocked in the bios or not?

Thankyou Chicano for your precious advices.
Tomorrow i will give a try

Ifkfkfkffs, thank you too.

lfkfkfkffs · Dec 12, 2014

that still can be throttling because of the vrm's

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

lfkfkfkffs :

There is no indication of VRM (Voltage Regulator Module) anywhere in this issue... and the system report has nothing on it. Voltages and temps seem within normal parameters. So there is no reason for the CPU to throttle down. So that's out of the question.

lfkfkfkffs · Dec 12, 2014

Yes there is learn more about amd motherboards

Chicano · Dec 12, 2014

Tsuyoshi :

Yes it is downclocked... otherwise it would speed up when necessary and you wouldn't be having issues and asking for help here. CPU Voltage is down, but temperatures are normal so there is no reason for the CPU to underclock or throttle down to protect itself from high temperature. You can verify it with CPUID the separate application, not that included in the system info program.. start it and keep it on top while subjecting the computer to something demmanding like scanning with the antivirus... if there is no noticeable increase in the CPU and memory ussage in the Taskmanager, downoad Malwarebytes Antimalware and scan with both the antivirus and malwarebytes... if the CPU clock doesn't speed up to normal or close to normal Mhz in the CPUID program... that should confirm what I've said.... and If it does speed up to normal, lfkfkfkffs was right.

According to CPU World, the AMD FX-6300 voltage is
1.4125V normal at 3800MHz
1.425V Boosted at 4100MHz Turbo Frequency

Hardware Monitor reads:
1.34V So, it's underclocked at 1406.2 MHz

Whether it's underclocked or throttling down, CPUID should show if it speeds up under load, or stays underclocked and performs lousy.

CPU WORLD INFO ON FX-6300
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-6300.html
Model number FX-6300
CPU part numbers
Frequency 3500 MHz
Turbo frequency 4100 MHz
Boosted P states #1: 4100 MHz, 1.425V
#2: 3800 MHz, 1.4125V

HARDWARE MONITOR:
Hardware monitor Winbond W83627DHG
Voltage 0 1.34 Volts [0xA7] (CPU VCORE)
Temperature 0 41°C (105°F) [0x29] (SYSTIN)
Temperature 1 43°C (108°F) [0x55] (CPUTIN)
Temperature 2 29°C (83°F) [0x39] (AUXTIN)
Fan 1 2280 RPM [0x4A] (CPUFANIN0)

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