Razer Black Widow 2014 Vs Black Widow Stealth 2014

The only difference is that the stealth doesn't come with a numpad. That's it.

EDIT**

Excuse me, You are correct. The stealth comes with quieter keys and they give more feedback when pressed. It's the tournament that doesn't come with the numpad.

Some people like the extra feedback of a noisy keyboard. It's helps them so they know the button registered.

I switch between a logitech G710+ and logitech G510s. The first for gaming and typing and the other for everything else.

If you have big hands, the corsair k70 might be the best choice for a high end keyboard. There's a good amount of spacing between the keys. This is very expensive keyboard at around $130 though. The razor boards have standard spacing just like logitech.

710+
http://media.bestofmicro.com/E/0/391896/original/g710-5.png

Black Widow
http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2014/03/blackwidowultimate_1160-100251017-orig.png

Corsair K70
http://techreport.com/r.x/2013_3_21_Corsairs_Vengeance_K70_keyboard_is_mechanical_throughout/board.jpg

Notice something? All the standard keys are the same size. The only difference is that the key spacing for the k70, which is the most space out. The only keyboard that cones with a whole set of non standard keys is the logitech orion spark. They have raised edges.

I've used all 3. The Widow I used was an older model though so I can't say how good their new boards are personally. For me, the corsair's spacing was too much, it slowed down my typing.

I'm not saying they are junk, just of lower quality. G710 uses Cherry MX Brown.

"What is the difference btwn Cherry and brown"

Brown is a type of cherry switch. They also make red, black, blue, and clear. They are all cherry switches.

"Why on earth would anyone press more then 10 keys even"
It's not just pressing 10 keys at once, it's 10 keys that can be activated at any time. A fast typer can surpass this and hard core games will find it an issue (although it isn't an issue for every game).

"What would you say is the best overall keyboard"
It's not a surprise that the black widow is the most popular. They appeal to the gaming masses through cheap products and good advertising. Black widow also won best keyboard over at kotaku. I definitely would not call it the best though, especially since the recent switch change. They were better before. If I had to pick the best keyboard it would be the Ducky Shine III. 104 key rolloever, good price, good lighting, and some of the best keys around. It's a no frills keyboard though, it doesn't come with extras like usb or audio. It's not the most popular but it's often refereed to as the best all around keyboard on the market. Good for typing and gaming.

"I also like the G710 but I find it annoying having the USB in the back, and there is no headphone jack"

You aren't going to find many high end keyboards with a headphone jack. It's best to plug your headphones directly into your back I/O panel and use an extender if you need more cable. Same goes for the USB. A mouse bungee can always be purchased to solve all of this issues. They almost always come with audio and USB ports. I don't think it's wise to limit keyboard selection based on minor features.

If you have your heart set on a razor, keep it. My comments were just to make you aware that, out of everyone who has used them, they don't last as long and aren't as durable.

Whatever option your most comfortable with, that's what you should get.

Yeah that two differs in cherry mx switch color and clicking sound.

(It's not just pressing 10 keys at once, it's 10 keys that can be activated at any time. A fast typer can surpass this and hard core games will find it an issue (although it isn't an issue for every game).)
-this lol just no unless you can type more than 144 wpm which i dont think so check geekhack website if you disagree even though it is agreed 6kro is more than enough
2014 razer blw have kalih switches though which are not worse just that razer has bad quality control

You forgot quotes around my words.

I said in my earlier post that only a fast typer could test that limit. In addition, I routinely pass the 10 key press limit of the razor on my g710+. I play a wide range of games including ones that emulate instruments. I would not be able to play these games on a razor. Let's say that we accept that 6, the number you stated, is the average number of keys activated at a time (although you'd have to not be playing very competitive and be a slow typer). That doesn't leave much room for error. If your fingers start fumbling a bit (which is common of beginners), don't expect all your intended keystrokes to register.

It's Kailh switches not Kalih. Everyone seems to agree they are cheaper as well

http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2dzg2d/kailh_vs_cherry_switches/
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/150599-cherry-vs-kailh-switches/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7911/razer-blackwidow-ultimate-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-review/4

Pretty much everywhere. Kailh switches are merely imitation MX Cherries.

I would trust the geekhack crowd much more than that of reddit considering it is dedicated towards keyboards.
If one also searched there :https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59245.0
where there are also people who like it better so please research next time

"Please research next time"

Excuse me? Your citing your circumstantial source over mine and then you insult me? This is not the way one should conduct himself on these forums. I've done more than research these products, I've used them. Typing words into goggle does not make you an expert.

Just because my sources don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean I didn't try hard enough. The fact that issues with the new razor switches are so easy to find is a testament to their poor quality.

"circumstantial source"-well enough said about that one guess one did not research or partake in geekhack discussions, I guess people may call geekhack "circumstantial now" (cough* you reddit link cough*)

"Typing words into google does not make you into an expert" - (Cough* reddit link of your Cough*)

"razor switchs are so easy to find testament to their poor quality"- 1)there are more cherry mx switches on the market than kailh 2) Razor never had the best control which is why they feel horrible(for example the linear feeling mx blues found on old razor blkw ultis) 3)unless your buying a topre keyboard from realforce or the like your mechanical keyboard is assembled in china(i qualify that as i know some keyboards such as maxkeyboards are assembled in usa) 4)you agree with me that razor quality is not the best care to know why?(and did razor somehow jump to become the best quality overnight)

"conduct on forums"-I sir, am at least giving honest statistics, especially regarding the keyrollover needed, the key thing is knowing. For example most of us cannot justify getting an i7 vs an i5, Is it nice? yes, but necessary for must of us? No, only graphics designers, video editors and the like truly utilize it. I can make my challenge simpler post a key combo that requires such high rollover(note that 99.999% of the world does fine on stock keyboards which usually has less than 6kro)

"i have done more than research. i used them"-sure, but even then what are ones tools without knowledge of them? Did you know cherry ripped off of Matias tactile switch for their new rgb? Possibly? Maybe? Then again feel is subjective, as does the knowledge gained from them. You also stated that you have not used the new blackwidow so im not sure what to say about your commentary there.

Back to the real thing a maxkeyboard nighthawk x7-9 (the 7 is reds, 8 browns, 9 blues) has usb ports as well as that of audio pass throughs, They usually discount around christmas so you can find them in a couple week around $90 if you can wait. It is considered of good build quality and less mass produced compared to logitech, corsair, and razor.

@Vodoochild81 paste what you want to find in a keyboard at geekhack.org , I recommend this due to them having better knowledge than me and thor220. Some people spend hundreds to build their own keyboards there and desolder switches from all sorts of mechs to fit their build.

You need to read what I said. I called both of our sources circumstantial. Your insistence that yours is somehow better is hypocritical.

The bad English and sarcastic coughing doesn't help your case either. Usually I tend not to listen to people who can't form sentences and keep recommending a singular website like a frothing fanboy.

""razor switchs are so easy to find testament to their poor quality"- 1)there are more cherry mx switches on the market than kailh 2) Razor never had the best control which is why they feel horrible(for example the linear feeling mx blues found on old razor blkw ultis) 3)unless your buying a topre keyboard from realforce or the like your mechanical keyboard is assembled in china(i qualify that as i know some keyboards such as maxkeyboards are assembled in usa) 4)you agree with me that razor quality is not the best care to know why?(and did razor somehow jump to become the best quality overnight)"

1 - What does having more on the market have to do with quality. Worthless point
2 - We know razor has lesser quality
3 - That's strange, my switches seem to have a "made in Germany" etched on each and every one.
4 - I already know why razor isn't the best.

"I sir, am at least giving honest statistics"

No, the only thing you are doing is trolling this thread with the insistence on going to this one website for all your information. It's internet. Why the heck would I limit information gathering to one site?

"I can make my challenge simpler post a key combo that requires such high rollover"
Well seeing as I use all 10 of my fingers at a time when synthing music and I'm hitting more than 1 key with each finger, I'd say that's pretty much shattered.

"note that 99.999% of the world does fine on stock keyboards which usually has less than 6kro"
Seeing as 99.9% of the world doesn't even own keyboards, your fictitious "statistic" isn't even relevant. It wasn't that long ago that you said you were using real data yet this is obviously in violation of that.

"Did you know cherry ripped off of Matias tactile switch for their new rgb?"
Hey look at this, worthless filler that serves no purpose other than to measure dicks. Hey, did you know keyboards can grow grass on them if you leave some hair on them for 3 months. Equivelently worthless knowledge as what you said.

maxkeyboard nighthawk

All that has going for it is the build quality. Compared to similarly priced boards it lacks macros, software, or media functions like the scroll wheel on the corsair k70, logitech 710+, or the DAS Keyboard 4 Ultimate. The audio and mic require cables going to your pc as well so that'll add additional desk clutter. The only time it would be worth it is on sale assuming other boards don't go on sale too.