Build help, need new cpu for FM2+ mobo.

turtleinacatsuit · Dec 2, 2014

I'm in quite the quandary here guys. I purchased and MSI A88XM GAMING motherboard bundled with an x4 860k on newegg.

Sadly, it would not work out of the box due to BIOS, so I purchased an A6-5440k to flash it with.
Well, by the time the new CPU got here I realized a few of the pins on the 860k had bent.

I called newegg, and it turns out the warranty I have wont be valid till 2017.
In the meantime, games are pretty much unplayable due to the massive bottleneck on my poor little a6-5400k.

So my only recourse now is to purchase another new CPU, however I no longer trust the 860k with my mobo, and the 860k is seemingly the best CPU for this socket type...

I'm looking at the AMD A8-6600K etc.. which I'm really skeptical of, as I'd really like to achieve a decent ~60fps on games with my GTX770, and am not confident that these APU's will suffice.

Right now I can play games like Counterstrike or Garry's mod, but when I try to launch, say, Arma 3, I'm lucky to achieve 20-30fps with massive screen tearing. (unless it's Arma 3 Karts, in which case I get 60-70fps)

I would be happy to just get a new mobo and CPU with a less shitty socket type (Intel), however I can't really afford to shell out much more than another ~200$ and am not sure if that's possible for the price.

I'm a bit stuck in a rut here guys, any advice is greatly appreciated.

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

AMD A10-7850K (Kaveri) is the tops out right now for that socket, but Carrizo is coming soon if you can hold out a few months. Should see a nice 15% performance increase due to better IPC.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

Your best option right now is a FX-8320 and an Asus M5A97 R2.0
$200 will not fit an i5 and an i3 will be a bottleneck. I do wonder how you managed to bend the pins though...

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

He already has a FM2+ motherboard.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

I know but FX cpus require AM3+ socket mobos.

turtleinacatsuit · Dec 2, 2014

mdsiu :

I won't be able to take full advantage of an APU with an nvidia GPU though, will I?
Like, the igp won't make a difference if I'm not using dual graphics, which I cannot do with an Nvida card, right?

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

correct, the igpu doesn't even work with high end amd cards, only the very low ones.

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

I would wait for the Athlon branded (no iGPU) FM2+ Carrizo CPUs that were just announced.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

they still wouldn't be able to compete with a FX--8320

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

Benchmarks please - haven't seen any for Carrizo yet

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

Search up benchmarks for the 860k and add 15%, then compare to fx 8320. The 8320 has twice the cores so it should handle multiple threads better

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

Again, you are speculating.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

Look up some benckmarks. The 860k is more comparable with the FX-6300. And between a 4 core and an 8 core which one do you think handles more threads more efficiently? Of course this can't compare to intel's i5 and i7 but those are out of his budget. Even if carrizo improved performance by 15% that still can't catch up to a 8320

turtleinacatsuit · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

I might just have to take you up on that...
Not at all sure at what point in time the pins bent, I kept it in it's plastic enclosure for the duration of it's lifespan.

I really would like for this to be the final obstacle in this build endeavor, so, if I do as you suggest, my build will be:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KMQM6h

This is everything I will be ordering:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39ZjLk

Tigerdirect has the M5A97 for a bit less: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3858040&CatId=7248 (same board right)

Also, will aftermarket CPU cooling be 100% necessary?

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

The tiger direct is the LE version. Its a "light" version but if you are not heavily overclocking, the board is fine and you dont need aftermarket cooling. Don't go with a 770 right now. The R9 290 is cheaper and performs better. You should change your psu also, like the evga supernova hex 750B http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-110b10750vr

turtleinacatsuit · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

I already own the 770. and I got mine for like 250$ (cheaper than any 290 available at the time)

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

IPC is king. For gaming, anything beyond 4 cores is irrelevant.

If you are set on getting rid of the motherboard, I wouldn't invest any money in a dated AM3+ platform. Go with a 1150 motherboard and an i3-4160. You can upgrade the CPU later if you want to a broadwell based proc. In the meantime, you will have better FPS than the 8320.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

please look up benchmarks first before claiming anything. There is a reason people recommend a FX-8320 over an i3. Sure intel's architecture is much stronger, but the core and clock speed deficiency causes it to lose against the 8320 most of the time. And since more applications are starting to take advantage of cores, an 8320 is the better choice

turtleinacatsuit · Dec 2, 2014

mdsiu :

Quite conflicted, guess I'll just wait and see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this, all I'm looking for is the least amount I will have to pay from this point on to achieve solid framerate in any modern game, period.

This build has been a month and a half colossal headache, and I'm just trying to shell out the absolute minimum amount possible to achieve a reliable, predictable experience in every game.

I will reiterate my current relevant specs:
Operating System: Windows 8.1
Processor: AMD A6-5400K APU
Memory: 2048MB DDR3 RAM (upgrading 8GB)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
PSU: Thermaltake 500w
Case: Raidmax Cobra ATX
Motherboard: MSI a88xm GAMING M-ATX
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB

turtleinacatsuit · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

Don't know who's advice to heed, I guess I'll just watch the benchmarks my self.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

Yes, please do, always do some searching by yourself.

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

airplanegeek :

Please read again the initial post. This is a gaming rig. 8320 would be great for multitasking, encoding, etc but not gaming. Also, feel free to read below to educate yourself before making asinine posts. i3-4160 is recommended over 8320 in Tom's Hardware's own Gaming CPU rundown.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8750/holiday-guides-2014-cpus

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

Tomshardware has never had a section in the best cpus for the money between $120 and $180, which is where the 8320 lies. If you can see, the FX-6300 is the alternative, and the 8320 is one step higher than that. And the anandtech review dont even include the 8320. So there are no usable benchmarks there.

airplanegeek · Dec 2, 2014

even go look at some other forums. The 8320 is the clear winner from people's perspective. But i wouldn't advise on trusting cpu boss and cpu world too much for your future comparisons. Futuremark and cpubenchmark is much more reliable

mdsiu · Dec 2, 2014

turtleinacatsuit :

airplanegeek :

Nothing clear about it. The 8320 costs $120 with lower IPC. The i3-4160 is the Tom's Hardware pick at $125 for good reason. See page 3 of their review. FX 8320 is equivalent to FX 8150 if you want to look at benchmarks. Keep in mind also lower power consumption, and the fact that your mobo will be capable of taking a broadwell based CPU in a year or two if you want to upgrade to a quad core.

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