Low Profile Videocard & 240W PSU [HP-Compaq DC7800 Business PC SFF]

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I'm planning to buy a budget card for low pc gaming to play games like Unreal Tournament GOTY (1999) because my onboard igp (Intel GMA3100) cannot handle much games at all.
It's going to be really cheap ~30-75 Euro max.

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Specs:

HP-Compaq DC7800 Business PC (Small Form Factor)

CPU: Intel Core2Duo vPro E6650 @ 2,3Ghz (1.15V)
RAM:2GB PC5300 DDR2 (1.80V)
IGP: Intel GMA3100 256MB Shared Memory (Intel Q31 Chipset)
HDD: 1x 160GB HDD 7200rpm SATA & 1x 320GB HDD 7200rpm SATA @ RAID
DVD: DVD-RW Recorder
MON: Hewlett Packard Viseo 191W (19") @ 1440x900 & 60Hz
Slot: PCI-E 16x (PCI Express 2.0/2.1)

PSU Info:

HP Power Supply (PS-6241-4HP)

Input: 100-240V~ 3.5A 50-60Hz
Output: 240W MAX

+5.08V / 17A, +3.33V / 15A, +12V / 7.5A

+12Vcpu / 11.5A, -12V / 0.15A, +5.08Vaux / 3A

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I see that many people suggest the Radeon HD6750 (or something?) but frankly that particular card is not available at our local shops for some time now.
I'm limited to local shops (Europe) and cannot make use of webshops such as newegg or ebay.

I was thinking of one of the following cards, -excluding the GeForce 210-, i'm not sure if my PSU would support any of these cards. I've checked some benchmark sites without finding anything regarding those particular cards max power consumption.
Most of the manufactors recommend 300W or more (according to various e-store site specs) but not many sites has the "Minimum PSU" listed in their specs.
One review says this, the other mentions that, but never an accurate awnser.

*Asus GeForce EN210 Silent 1GB DDR3 (Based on GF210) - 30 Euro. (<- I Really don't want this one)

*MSI Radeon EAH5430 Silent 1GB DDR3 (Based on HD5450) - 32 Euro.

*MSI Radeon R5230 Silent 1GB DDR3 (Based on R5 230) - 40 Euro.

*MSI GeForce GT 610 Silent 2GB DDR3 - 45 Euro.

*Asus GeForce GT730 Silent 1GB DDR3 - 55 Euro.

If anyone knows a card that supports low-profile brackets but is priced over $50 or 75 Euro's (keep it under €100) and mostlikely supports 240W, don't forget to mention those.

I can safe a little bit more money IF needed to, but i'm not going to upgrade my case just to fit in a more powerfull psu, so you can keep the upgrade psu, sytem etc. comments to yourselfs. And no!, trolling is no excuse for my wall of text :p
 
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it should work it might peak it at some point but to be safe You can get the R7 240 GDDR5 version and with mantle coming to all new games youll be able to run bf4 at a little higher resolution at med settings with AA off around 45-55 fps
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Thank you for your reply but that particular card is not sold at our local shop in The Netherlands.
The closest cards to that are the R7 260X (€110) or R9 270 (€160) and i really don't want to go over 70 bucks. So if you have a suggestion about one of the cards i mentioned in regards to my psu i would be happy.
I would only look for more expensice cards if any of those would not be compatable.
 
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I don't want to sound like an asshole, but i get the feeling you're avoiding my question.
Instead of awnsering me, you come up with new different cards, which i said do far exceeds than the 70 bucks im willing to pay.
Yes they have that card, they even have others, but it's too pricy for me at the moment.

Just give me an awnser on the cards i posted please... it's not that hard.
And if you don't know the awnser, silence or a simple "i don't know" will suffice.
 
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You kind of do, since in the first post you said



And since we don't know the country and the stores you buy from , I suspect he was just asking to see if he could get you a best card for your money.

You also didn't mention which the "some benchmark sites" are that you checked, so I don't know if you checked performance at passmark.com - which is my go-to site for performance information.

As for the power draw of the individual cards, I suggest you go to the manufacturer's site for each card and check the specifications there. Failing that, Nvidia (at least, haven't found the same on AMD's site) has a page for each reference card with recommended power requirements.

And there are pretty awesome new cards with reasonable performance, like this one:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 240 2GB Video Card (€57.58 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €57.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-10 14:44 CET+0100

Similarly, almost all these cards are low-profile, recent, and fits your price range.

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#sort=a7&w=15,60&qq=1&c=183,175,174



 
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You are absolutely right about the fact i mentioned people could suggest cards exceeding my budget in my 1st post.
Maybe i should have made myself more clearly by stating "Only if none of the other cards work out"

BUT in the reply post i did mention;

"...that particular card is not sold at our local shop in The Netherlands."
and "So if you have a suggestion about one of the cards i mentioned in regards to my psu i would be happy."

The local shops are Computerland.nl, Mycom.nl or Paradidgit.com. The stores are pricewise and hardware wise completely the same.
The benchmark sites i used are: Game-Debate, Benchmarkreviews and some other, iirc.

They don't sell the R7 240 because if they would i most definately mentioned that one too.
The problem is, i cannot do internet transactions at the moment that's why i'm bound to local shops.

I did a check up about the TDP's of each card, but i'm a mathematical retard so i don't know if it would blow out my psu since most of the manufactors recommend atleast 300W.

GeForce GT610 - TDP: 29W
Radeon R5450 - TDP: ~25W
Radeon R5230 - TDP: ~75W
GeForce GT730 - TDP: ~43W

Not sure if any of those tdp's are accurate.

Since none of these cards require an external power source and draw it's power from the PCI-E slot, i assume they wouldn't peak that high so that maybe my 240W Psu is enough?, but than again with my 7.5A on 12V it makes me doubt about that at all..


My thoughts go out to the GT730 or one of the Radeon's, but i definately don't want to fry my system (since the psu is atleast a few years old, i hope the psu is capable of 240W in the first place)...

On a side note: The cards i posted (OP) are the only cards below €100 mark, they come with different brands (Asus/MSI/XFX etc.) and numbers, but those are the ones i have to stick with (After rethinking, why would i get a pricy card (€80-100+) if i only do some minor casual gaming.)
 
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The best performing card in your list is the GeForce GT 730. At 43W it's also a reasonably safe bet.

You could get a Kill-A-Watt meter and use it to estimate your PC's current power draw. But then I guess spending $30 (or the Euro equivalent) isn't high on your list of priorities.

As for the capability of your PSU, I'd not hazard a guess.
 
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After looking around some more i have found a local shop that sell the Asus Radeon R7240 2GB for €62.
The card has a TDP of 35-38W (and minimum 400W / 20A). Since you said the GT730 with 48W was a safe bet, i can mostlikely get the R7240 to work with my 240W PSU, right!? You sure the 12V / 7.5A is sufficient enough?

[Benchmark HD Gaming, cont. 154W, idle 71W: http://nl.hardware.info (For your convenience i used google translate, something i never use. Hope it works out for you.)

If i would even try that out on any demanding game, even to test if i could, i would blow up my system. I really hope that's not true.
I guess under normal circumstances and resolution it'll be around ~38W as it's tdp describes.
If that's the case, than it's a no-brainer that i will pick up the R7 over any other card i listed.
I was thinking of buying the one with passive cooling, because the active cooling also draws some (W) for it's fan or am i completely off track here?

I know lot's of questions but, Thank you for your time and patience, your awnser will be final!
 
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40W at 12V is only 3.3 Amp.

The TDP for your processor is 65W or 5.4 Amp

That takes up 9Amp and leaves a margin of 3.5 Amp (29W) on the 12V rail for everything else.

That does make it too tight to be comfortable, since the rule of thumb is that a hard drive uses 25W and a fan uses 7W. I believe the guideline for a low-end motherboard is also around 25-40W....

So bummer....
 
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Meh i guess it's back to either GT210 or HD5430. Well atleast it's better than my onboard igp..

[edit] Actually this would mean i need a card that consumes less than 30W, which became none, atleast not locally.
 
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This is the product page for your computer's power supply.

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01488634

It lists 2 power supplies - which one do you have? One looks pretty standard, the other seems custom. You may want to search and see if those are available in higher power numbers.

Here is a parts list that lists 2 very old and weak graphics cards that were designed to work with your computer. Perhaps this is as much as you can hope for.

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01604441

 
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I made a picture yesterday of my PSU (to upload for this thread), but i already typed the info in my first post.

I got the 2nd one; part model 437798-001:

"Power supply ? Input voltage 100 to 240 V AC (auto-ranging), 47 to 63 Hz - 6 DC outputs, 240 W, 80% efficient - With power factor correction"

If irc the 365W PSU's are for the DC7800 ATX version only and does not fit the SFF.

I have seen your second link yesterday while browsing for my pci-e bus info, those are really old cards, doubt that would be any better than the GMA3100.

Guess it's bad luck..
 
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Since they were contemporary to the Intel GMA3100 and Intel wasn't really into graphics those days, you could actually expect those cards to have a respectable performance increase over the integrated graphics. Nothing to write home about in terms of today's cards, but all things are relative here.

However, trace down their specifications, check their power consumption and see what a modern card offers in the same range.

Just one more caveat. Make sure the card is slot-compatible with your PC.

 
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Than i guess i have to do a workaround for internet transactions to find cards on ebay or something, because they don't sell cheaper cards than the ones i had to pick from.

Unless is from local 2nd hand advertisment sites, which i'll explore some time later but with my budget i'm guessing they are all going to be AGP =/
 
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Is that possible? Because i think we found out that the R7240 would not work on my 240W PSU @ 12V / 7.5A, and it has a lower TDP than the GT730.
 
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it should work it might peak it at some point but to be safe You can get the R7 240 GDDR5 version and with mantle coming to all new games youll be able to run bf4 at a little higher resolution at med settings with AA off around 45-55 fps
 
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