Cant seem to install windows 7 or 8 please help!

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Hey guys finally came here to post after 5 unsuccessful hours of trying to install windows 7 and 8 on new build from boot-able USB drive. Here is the build (http://pcpartpicker.com/user/fkilla001/saved/B4qWGX). When installing windows 8.1 on new 500gig hdd it installs quick and restarts, but when it restarts and windows 8 loads up, a message comes up "Your PC ran into a problem and needs to restart... error 0xc000021a" restarts, same message..never ending loop. So I decided OK lets try windows 7. At first the booting seems fine, click custom installation, but when partitioning the 500 gig HDD it keeps saying cannot install in that partition. I did the cmd commands, disk list, clean etc.. but nothing it just wont install in the damn hdd. Then I tried windows 8 again, same issue as before, tried windows 7 again, this time it keeps saying please browse for windows 7 drivers, it wont even get to the partitioning like before, which I don't get because its the same files as before....
I reset the mobos bios, blah blah blah same exact thing happens. Cant seem to install either windows version. Now keep in mind, I have installed both windows 8 and 7 from the same bootable usb in my other computers, so I am not new to this process. At this point im thinking maybe the hdd is defective or the mobo is defective although they seem perfectly fine. My next step is trying my currents rig hard drive and seeing what happens. Any insight would greatly be appreciated, thank you!
 
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32bit reduces the max amount of allocated ram to 4gb, if this worked while the 64bit versions aren't, has me wondering if one of your sticks of ram is bad, probably the higher addressed chip, if you want to test this you could pull a stick of ram out and attempt the install again, or get MemTest86, install it onto a USB, boot from the USB (horrible flashbacks yet?) and run the memory test.

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While installing windows 7, you mentioned it asked you for drivers, as far as I've seen, this only happens if you choose SCSI interfaces.
If you are able to get back to the partition setup in windows 7 i would erase the mess windows8 caused, and create a fresh partition (or 2, one for OS, one for backup incase you need to format the OS partition in the future, this comes in very handy if you only have a single drive) and see if that helps.

Good luck! Hopefully its not a HDD issue (or mobo issue for that matter...).
Edit: I see you have a Seagate, I've had nothing but issues with Seagates in my past, but its been close to two decades since I've tried one.
 

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So this may not apply, and its a long shot, but my brother-in-law has a i3 3220, and his HATED turbo mode. It would constantly crash and have all types of issues, we tried many things, and it wasn't until we disabled turbo that it was able to run normally. Maybe worth a try if you cant figure out whats going on with the HDD.
 

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You might want to try this as a quick and dirty workaround... First, I suggest you install Linux on a flash drive, then boot your system and run Linux to test your hardware, especially the HDD. This is MUCH easier than you might think, and you can do it without harming your existing Windows installation. Even better, you can use the same flash drive to test any other flaky hardware in the future. Keep the flash drive handy, and you will find yourself using it whenever something goes wrong. For example, if your optical burner stops working, boot into Linux and use the burner. If it doesn't work, the hardware is defective. If it works properly, you have a Windows (OS) problem or a software (APP) problem.

You can download a good (older, easy to use) version of Ubuntu Linux here:

http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04.3/ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386.iso

it is a 700 MB file. Save it someplace easy to find it, maybe the Windows Desktop.

Next, you'll need an installer program to put Ubuntu on the flash drive. I recommend the YUMI

installer, which works with the most popular Linux distributions here:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/

There is a link to the installer file on that page, along with a pictorial on how to use YUMI to

install Ubuntu on your flash drive.

Follow the pictorial to create the Ubuntu flash drive, then boot the problematic system with the Ubuntu flash drive and test your system. If everything seems to work OK, take it to the next level. Click on the Install Linux icon on the Ubuntu Desktop; if Linux installs properly, you know there is probably nothing wrong with the HDD. If the installation fails, you will probably see I/O errors, and the installation will stop.

Either way, you'll know the condition of the HDD. If the HDD is bad, you can replace it. If it doesn't have a problem installing Linux, just shut the system down and try installing Windows again. The HDD will be formatted with a Linux file system which Windows can't read, so Windows will simply begin the partitioning and formatting process again, giving you a blank HDD to work with, which is exactly what you want.

Good luck with this, please let us know what happens...
 

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Thanks for the input guys, I like the Linux idea, it's been a while since I've messed with it but it sounds like a great little trick to try. I'll try it as soon as I get up. Thanks again you guys rock
 

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Ok guys quick update. Non-smoker pete, I followed your directions, downloaded Ubuntu and the installer. To my surprise it installed and worked great. On it as we speak. So from this I can see the hdd itself must not be damaged... I'm guessing the windows versions Ive tried could be bad.. although Ive used it before and currently running my main PC of of it so idk...Im in the process of getting a different windows 7 now and ill go ahead and try to install to hdd again. Any more input would be appreciated it!
 

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Actually, the problem you're experiencing isn't likely to be with your Windows installation media, the problem is more likely being caused by changes Windows makes to certain sections of your hard drive during the installation process. For now, you should simply try to reinstall Windows, which will overwrite the Ubuntu installation. Doing that should FORCE Windows to treat the hard drive as a blank slate, though that doesn't ALWAYS work. In case it doesn't, you will need to take this up another level and use a partition editor (which happens to be included with Ubuntu) to make low-level changes to your hard drive to get things working properly again.

Note: I am NOT telling you that the partition editor will "low-level format" your hard drive, it will simply clean hidden sections that you cannot access simply by installing Windows. Those hidden sections are used to store data which is used during bootup, which means the data is considered to be "below" the operating system itself. IOW, it is data used to help load the OS, and "hidden" to keep the computer user from being able to access it / corrupt it during normal computer usage.

You're doing great so far, and I sincerely doubt that you need different Windows installation media. Simply try to install Windows now and let us know what happens. If it installs successfully, your initial problems are solved. If not, we'll take this to the next level and use a partition editor to try to resolve the problems with your HDD.
 

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After I had Ubuntu installed i tried installing windows again but with no luck, when licking the only storage available (500gig hdd) format, create partition, new partition, delete, all the options it just will not allow me to continue saying same thing "Setup was unable to create a new system partition". At this point I switched HDDs to my other hdd which used to be my primary I know is 100% reliable but still no luck. Icame across this thread http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/260850-setup-unable-create-new-system-partition.html and following: DiskPart <ENTER>
list disk <ENTER>
select disk 0 <ENTER>
clean <ENTER>
create partition primary align=1024 <ENTER>
format fs=ntfs <ENTER> (Will Take a While)
assign <ENTER>
active <ENTER>
exit <ENTER>
exit <ENTER>

When formatting to ntfs with those setting it almost took an hour, which its never happened before so I thought i was making progress. But nope, even after that when going back to Installing Windows to Disk 0 Partition 1, click next, "Setup was unable to create a new system partition". Like OMG, Im really getting frustrated, Ive never had these many issues before... but im willing to get to the bottom of it with help lol!

So recap, Nothing has worked... I switched HDDs, but same issue. How deep do we need to go pete!?
 

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Just curious why you're using command line partition stuff?
Edit: nevermind, I see why.

Windows needs its system reserved space, make sure you let this happen.
Make sure when you click "next" (to move to the install itself) you have the non-system reserved partition selected.
As this is where windows will attempt to install itself (the selected partition).

Windows 8 install:
-Boot from media.
-Choose Language, Time, Keyboard. Choose Next.
-Choose Install Now.
-Type in product key. Next.
-Accept license terms, Next.
-Choose CUSTOM: Install windows only (advanced), here is where we get to modify partition via GUI.
-(To start completely fresh) Click on every listed partition on the install drive and click Delete. When done, you should have 1 listing that says "Unallocated Space"
-Click "New" choose max size (default)
-Windows will add a "System Reserved" drive, click ok here.
-Click on your newly allocated partition (NOT system reserve), click Format, Click Next
-Let windows install.


Windows 7:
-Boot from media.
-Choose language,time,keyboard, click Next.
-Choose Install Now.
-Accept license, click next.
-CHOOSE Custom (advanced).
-Click "Drive options (advanced)"
-Click every existing partition, choose Delete, When done you should see a single "Unallocated Space".
-Choose Unallocated Space, click New.
-Use default (max) size, "windows will make system reserved", click ok.
-Select newly created (not system reserved) partition, click "Format".
-Click "ok", Click next.
-Let windows install.



 

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OK, if we're going to work at disk level, I want you to understand that I cannot be held responsible for anything that happens to your hardware. That might seem like a cowardly way to approach this, but I'm sure you understand; I'm not there to supervise your work, and I cannot prevent you from doing the wrong thing. The chances of causing serious problems are minimal at best, but again, I cannot be considered responsible for what YOU do.

That being said, now I feel like a coward, but I can't see what you see, or look over your shoulder to guide you, so you have to accept responsibility for the result of following these instructions, good or bad, whatever the outcome.

In all fairness to you, you seem to have more than enough skills to do this; I wouldn't provide this advice if I thought you weren't capable of following instructions and knowing when to stop and ask for guidance. You have prior Linux experience, you have no problems installing software, you understand how to boot from an alternative device, so onward and upward!

To save myself from typing for the next several HOURS (I'm a SLOW typist, damaged my hands and fingers from motorcycle craziness many years ago), I found this DETAILED tutorial to help you:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html

In order to use GParted, you will have to boot Ubuntu from the flash drive. Do NOT install Ubuntu on the drive you want to repair. Do NOT mount the drive; simply boot Ubuntu and open GParted, which you will find under System > Administration > Partition Editor

BEFORE you start using GParted, please read through that tutorial, then read it again more carefully. Pay CLOSE attention to the section titled "Using GParted - Understanding the software", and work downward from there. BE SURE you are working on the correct partition on the HARD DRIVE, you don't want to damage the USB drive.

Please take the time to do as I have requested; READ THE ENTIRE TUTORIAL, then read it again. You might already be aware of a LOT of the information presented, but since you have no experience with using a partition editor, I'm trying to protect you from yourself. You seem enthusiastic and ready to tackle this, but I am asking you NOT to rush through this process. You will learn and understand a LOT more if you take your time as you do this, which will help you the NEXT time you encounter a similar problem.

When you believe you are ready, open GParted, find the hard drive, then follow the steps shown in the "Task 3: Delete partition" section. You could also simply follow the steps shown in "Task 4: Create Partition Table", but again, I hope you will see this as a golden opportunity to learn more than you already know. Read the ENTIRE tutorial, then focus on clearing the existing data as shown in Task 3 and Task 4.

I will be on the road the rest of the day, but I will check back here as soon as possible. Please post any questions you can't find an answer to with Google, and I will do my best to reply within 24 hours.

OK, now is the time to roll up your sleeves and start reading. If you don't understand something, read through it a few times before you move on. This isn't brain surgery, but it does require logical, analytical thought, and a willingness to learn new skills. The more you know...
 

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Thank you Brandon and Pete, Im currently waiting for hdd to format this way I can start with a clean slate again...
I will go through your instructions slowly Brandon to make sure I'm following the correct one step behind the other and hopefully this will fix it. If not, Pete I appreciate the time you are taking to help at such deep levels lol (I had a motorcycle accident too so i feel you dude lol!). Just know guys if Im here, is because its a real problem, if it was simple I would of figured it out. I will go ahead and start the process, ill give you guys an update in an hour or two. Thanks again guys!
 

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Nothing dude, same error... not even after a full format of the hdd. Windows just cant create a new partition... I guess my only option is to go in deep...

Pete, I assume responsibility Im surprised my system is not broken yet after all the crazy stuff ive done to get windows to work. So ill go ahead and follow your instructions. Will report back when done. Thanks
 

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Yes Brandon, I even switched it a couple times to see if it made a difference but now they are set to ACHI. I cant even get the ubuntu installer working right now.. omg lol fun stuff!!
 

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Perhaps this may assist you:
http://druss.info/2014/07/fixed-setup-was-unable-to-create-a-new-system-partition-or-locate-an-existing-system-partition-during-installing-windows-8-18-7-vista-etc-from-usb/

For issues not being able to create a partition, specifically while installing from USB.
Edit: long story short, copy usb files to HD, make HD bootable, boot from HD, install windows from HD.

Apparently many people are suffering from this problem, and this is -the- fix.

Alternativly, have you tried installing from windows dvd? Or burn a new one from your existing ISO?

Good luck, sorry you are going through this.
 

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Step by step instruction:

Boot windows installation from USB drive
Press Shift+F10
In console type diskpart.exe and press enter. In this program execute following:
select disk=0. Disk 0 is your destination drive, so be careful, all information on this drive will be removed.
create partition primary size=xxx, where xxx – is the size of new partition
select partition=1
active
format fs=ntfs quick
assign
exit, now you have bootable drive C
How do I copy from usb to hd from inside the installation windows?
Navigate to USB flash drive, in my case: cd d:
Copy all files from USB drive to C: drive: xcopy d: c: /e /h /k
Go to boot folder: cd boot
Make you C: drive bootable with following command: bootsect /nt60 c:
Put off USB drive from computer and restart them.

Install Windows
Remove unnecessary menu item from bootscreen:
Run cmd.exe as Administrator
See boot menu list bcdedit
Find Windows Setup and copy identifier
Run bcdedit /delete {identifier}
PROFIT!


 

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Guys I'm in awe...I went to the car grabbed my other USB thumb drive so I could have 2 different windows to try and install, made it boot-able with windows 7 like the 100 times I had previously done. Booted windows installer, chose language, chose partition..clicked next.. and.. boom.. 100% WORKING no shuddering, everything smooth...windows is completing installation as we speak...

A different usb thumb drive fixed my problem. How is that possible.. i do not know.. but after trying 1000 times, 100 different ways, using a different USB drive, with the same files from before worked 100%.

I feel stupid for not trying earlier... I could have not guessed.. the other usb drive seemed fine, windows recognized it, bios recognized it...why it wouldnt work like this one did.. I have no Idea.

Thank you all Pete and brandon for the help
 

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Hahahaha apparently im not off as easy as i thought! windows 7 after it installs and first boots up its giving me errors 0xc000021a and 0xc000001... But hopefully ill be able to fix that, at leats now partitioning is no longer the issue and i can move further down the line of installation lol. Now i got windows 8 running a "resetting your pc" due to not being able to start up correctly.. not sure why after installing windows is not fully working...

 

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Brandon no luck dude. After many tries, one of them actually worked, but when i check, it was the x32 version of windows 7. After testing a couple more times, it seems windows 8 or 7 x64 will NOT install giving me "Your PC ran into a problem and needs to restart... error 0xc000021a" or similar error towards end of win 7 x64 installation. From what i can see and know, my set up should run x64 no prob, so Why when i try to install any x64 version of windows it fails but x32 works right away? Im about to loose it lol help!