water cooling? yay or nay?

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half are for half are against. its a split community. but people more often than not don't explain themselves. id like some reasons on why and why not. and your final take on the matter
 
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It really depends on the person and use for the computer. There are people on both sides as you mention. Certainly I would say water is more risky, but I prefer it over aircooling. I currently use both aircooled and watercooled computers. Why I prefer watercooling(custom loop) for my main rig are a couple reasons. One is better temps than aircooling(w/ higher end watercooling components)and this certainly can help in overclocking. However it can be argued on this point that these days, generally temperature is not the limiting factor for most overclocks. It's not like the old P4 Prescott days, lol. This is for cooling the CPU, cooling GPU's are a different story. I'm currently testing my new 970s. On air, they would get to...

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Someone watercools their system because they want to. Its a source of pride for PC gamers, and a way to make their system truly unique. The temperatures arent that different, but at the end of the day, you have a sick watercooled system that you take pride in.

These are just my thoughts, and I'm sure someone will have another opinion.
 
If you move your system at all - liquid coolers will not put stress on your mobo like a big, bulky, massive air cooler. I find the inside of the case is "tidier" with liquid coolers. The one thing I always add when I use liquid is to add a fan to cool the mobo & it's components.(the stock cooler did that)
-Bruce
 

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Obvious reasons - I dont overclock, I live in cold regions, etc. aside - your factory heatsink + fan (HSF) is usually designed to remove the necessary heat off your CPU @ 25oC for nonstop operation. (It usually has a problem with the thermal paste though, either too much or its an inefficient one).

Water cooling can help with overclocking, hot environs but it still largely depends on many things like how large the difference is between the heat exchanger and the water, the volume of water passing thru the exchanger, ventilation at the radiator, etc. Anyway water can hold and move temperature better than air, from one place to another. Water cooling can suffer from leaks that may prove disastrous to your electronic parts. Then there's pump failure which may be more problematic to replace vs. a hsf. Pumps also have limited capacity so you cant put too many lines and curves/bends because it will ultimately affect how fast heat is moved out from the system (the pump can fail also if its overloaded by the system lines). You will have to be more meticulous with a water system IMHO.
 
I like engineering so W/c offers me an outlet for design and construction projects :p
@Hysteria, the temps are different dude, not so much for allinone coolers but in mine and several others cases, vastly different :)
@Pecul1ar has the right idea, those who W/c tend to be more focussed, you do have to keep an eye on things but because you W/c, thats part of the beats natuare, a cost of the reward hehe
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It really depends on the person and use for the computer. There are people on both sides as you mention. Certainly I would say water is more risky, but I prefer it over aircooling. I currently use both aircooled and watercooled computers. Why I prefer watercooling(custom loop) for my main rig are a couple reasons. One is better temps than aircooling(w/ higher end watercooling components)and this certainly can help in overclocking. However it can be argued on this point that these days, generally temperature is not the limiting factor for most overclocks. It's not like the old P4 Prescott days, lol. This is for cooling the CPU, cooling GPU's are a different story. I'm currently testing my new 970s. On air, they would get to 80C which is their stock temp target playing BF4. Now with them being watercooled, they max @ 41C same scenario. Another reason for me is noise. I have my pumps hooked up using PWM to slow them down as full speed isn't necessary along with my radiator fans dialed down to 7v or so. This keeps my PC at pretty much a constant low noise level that doesn't change during idle/gaming/encoding ect. For me, I much prefer this than hearing GPU/CPU fans ramp up during gaming sessions. I use headphones rarely during gaming, and prefer using my 5.1 speaker setup so I don't want a lot of extra fan noise drowning out gameplay sound effects. Another reason for me is "it's watercooling :)". Like mentioned above, I like the looks/custom options that you just don't get with a standard aircooling HSF. There are of course downsides. Maintenance and being observant on fluid levels, periodic checks are required(Still would keep an eye on AIO watercoolers for drips as well). Price is another one of course. If your going w/ an AIO watercooler, it's not all that bad vs high end air. Going full custom though...the sky's the limit on options and expense. It's also very time consuming to go full custom(tons of planning), plus as I can attest that your PC can get pretty heavy when your done assembling. Not going to be something to move around when fully loaded. After all this, for me, it's still the way to go.
 
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Watercooling started out as an 'extreme' mod to pc's for cooling overclocked cpu's. You have to remember that back then, there were no all in one coolers like the h100i or h55. If you had watercooling, you built your own from the ground up. Some were more polished than others, some were sort of homebrew watercooling. The alternative were fairly crappy stock coolers or slightly better air coolers that still relied on aluminum heatsinks and wouldn't cope with the overclocking temps.

Move forward some and two things have happened. Water cooling has become mainstream and commercial, anyone can have a watercooled rig because they can buy an all in one unit that goes together just like an air cooler. Attach the rad/fan and lock down the cooling block and ta-da, 'custom' water cooled. Aio units don't cool as well as custom loops using individual parts.

The other advancement has been on the front of air cooling. Now air coolers feature copper direct touch heat pipes containing chemicals that work through convection inside those tubes. It boils and carries heat to the outermost parts away from the heat source and as it cools, flows back down to the base plate in a continuous cycle. They're larger than they used to be with 2 and 3 fans on them now. What this means is that unless you spend several hundred on a real watercooling setup, the ~$100-150 range of air coolers and aio watercooling don't perform much differently. An aio with a 240mm or larger radiator will typically cool better under stress (for extended periods of gaming while overclocked) than an air cooler but for the most part their performance is equal.

Cpu's today don't typically produce as much heat as they used to, they're becoming more energy efficient. At the same time, the lithography is changing and the die's are getting smaller. The smaller the die, the more rapidly a fairly cool chip will heat up under oc conditions and the headroom for overclocking isn't what it once was. Water cooling isn't really necessary like it used to be and if the overclock is pushing a new cpu that hard likely it's for benchmarks and using ln2 since water can't keep up in those extremes. Some prefer to incorporate peltiers for cooling (think refrigeration) since water cooling can only cool at most to ambient. It's not energy efficient though, purely for performance.

Two most common looks at it, since aio coolers and big air coolers have similar performance - if you're going to lan parties and carrying your rig around, water cooling might be a better option. Less stress on the motherboard pcb around the cpu socket. But there's the chance of a leak and severe sucky things happen when they leak.

Big air coolers don't run the risk of leaking, but they're heavy and better for systems that stay in place. One isn't quieter than the other since water cooling requires radiator fans (especially if you get into 240/360/480 rads with push/pull configuration). You're talking 4-8 additional fans. It depends on what someone prefers for looks.

Air cooling is less complicated, the only moving part is the fan and at most you might have to blow the dust out of it once in awhile. Aio coolers, there's no way to really monitor their performance. With a real water cooling loop, usually it involves clear tubing, people incorporate flow meters to make sure the coolant is moving at the appropriate rate (they can see if it slows down there may be a clog in the system), they can view the coolant level in the reservoir and there's maintenance required. Roughly every year or two the entire system needs drained and flushed, cleaned out and put back together. Also if you're running a custom loop chances are it has it's own power source and is powered on independantly from the pc. There's the potential of accidentally forgetting if you're not used to it and turning on your pc with the cooling system off.

Those are about all the pros/cons I can think of either way. It's always a personal choice. For me I prefer air. With the limitations of modern overclocking, the gains don't justify the added cost and I think aio's are a bit pricey for the performance they offer. If I was going to go with water cooling, I'd go with a real cooling loop (separate pump, res, rads etc). It's costly. I'm ok with a few less mhz and not chancing hardware I can't afford to replace to a water leak. I also don't move my case around and the looks of big air coolers don't bother me. If I attended lan parties, it might be a different story.
 

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You can actually design an air ducting system, made out of very cheap materials to siphon cold air from one part of your house, directly thru your case, and going outside your room. Again, its temperature differences(delta temp) that matter here: the larger the delta is between the medium that will carry the temperature (water/air/oil/etc) and the object to be cooled, the better.

This air vs. water was our thesis back in college, and one of our findings is that systems which provided turbulent flow at the heat exchanger was a key part of a good cooling setup. If your system had laminar(smooth) flow, you had to depend on how fast your cooling medium was going thru the heat exchanger. If you had turbulent flow, you'll suffer from an abrupt drop in pressure but you'll get more heat out of the heat exchanger. Loss of pressure usually means your medium is not moving fast enough and the overall temperature in the region starts to increase.

Current over-the-cpu hsf is actually an implementation of turbulent flow, its efficient at the heatsink but it doesn't do a good job at circulating/moving that hot air out of the system. So we introduce supporting fans (laminar flow) to finally move that 'heat cloud' out of the general environ.

If you're more interested in the academic side of this, I suggest you visit your local library and pickup a book on Heat Transfer, Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning(HVAC), and perhaps Fluid Mechanics.
 

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