Some questions 4K casual gaming mATX build

strm

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Hi guys,

Going to buy things bit by bit, hopefully scoring some bargains on eBay etc., so I'm interested mainly in the parts themselves, not so much in where to buy them.

Usage is exclusively, and filthily casual, playing Warlords of Draenor, viewed on a Dell UP2414Q at 3840x2160. Like that's not enough, everything has to go into a Bitfenix Prodigy M.

Overclocking, yes. Water-cooling, nope. I'd like to keep the price as low as possible, while not compromising performance so much as to drop below 60 FPS (outside of large player groups, 'cause there you pretty much cannot get 60 FPS).

Now this is what I've come up with so far:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£165.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£64.78 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper M5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£140.34 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£42.97 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£259.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£259.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Midnight MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£64.79 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Enermax Platimax 1500W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£266.05 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1263.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 15:22 GMT+0000

And a little catalogue of questions to go with it:

1. Despite the game being excessively CPU-bound, according to the benchmarks an i7 only brings about 7% more performance. Chance to save some money by going i5. Anybody got different insights?

2. If I did my job properly, then this motherboard should be the only mATX one, that still leaves one slot open between two GPU cards in SLI. The PCIe8x is at the very bottom, i.e. 4th slot, and the case supports 5 slots. Do you guys know of an alternative? Ideally even with a Z97 chipset?

3. In terms of GPU make: Am I still forced to take blower versions for both cards, despite the choice of motherboard? Or do you reckon one blower is fine? Or both open ones? And does anything change when taking into account that the GPUs hang upside down at the top of the case?

4. 2x 4GB RAM with 1600MHz and decent latency seems to be the consensus for OC and gaming. So, I'll probably just grab a cheap pair without compromising too much latency. Anybody differ? Is there some kind of cut-off point for latencies?

5. Initially planned to cool with the NH-D15, but it doesn't let me pick it. So I assume it doesn't fit in the Prodigy M? Anybody got experience with this? Should I simply revert to the NH-D14, or is there a better choice in this situation?

6. Well, PSU. Frankly, I have no idea what I'm doing here, just used it as a placeholder. What do the experts suggest?


Best regards,

strm
 

g-unit1111

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To answer your questions:

1. The only real difference between the i5-4690K and i7-4790K is 4 threads, but otherwise the performance is nearly identical.

2. Actually no there's lots of mATX boards to choose from, mATX and mITX are becoming more common place than large and full towers are.

3. Get a dual fan card, you don't want to deal with a single fan card. Triple would be better such as the Gigabyte Windforce 3X series.

4. On Haswell you actually want faster RAM. It will help make things easier for overclocking.

5. Yeah I think a D15 would be a poor choice for a Prodigy. It's a nice cooler but it's very large and won't fit small cases. You're better off buying a NH-U9B or a top-down cooler, or a liquid cooler like the Corsair H80i.

6. 1500W is quite a bit excessive for a dual GTX 970 setup. You really only need a solid 850W power supply for that and you want something like an EVGA G2/P2, or a Seasonic X series.

Try something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£166.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£73.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£106.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£70.59 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£83.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£259.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£259.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Midnight MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£64.79 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1234.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 17:12 GMT+0000
 

strm

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Thanks for your reply!


Cool, thanks for confirming.



OK, yes, I am aware that there are quite a few mATX boards. Maybe it's better if I expand a bit on what I am concerned about here:
As far as I could see, if you put two double slot GPUs on most mATX boards, they would sit very closely on top of each other, right? Now, I read a few people reporting this could lead to heat issues on air cooling, because there is almost no air for the lower card, whose fans basically just massage the other card's back. Please tell me if I'm getting something wrong here.
With the Sniper board, the PCI slots that you would use for SLI are 3 slots apart, unlike the other boards I saw, where they are only 2 slots apart. Hence, only on the Sniper would you get a bit of air between the cards, correct? Or is all of this perhaps totally irrelevant?



Yes, I'd definitely prefer more fans too. However, this relates back to the cooling thing from above. With blowers, apparently, you can mitigate this. I assume by letting them suck in cool air from the rear of the case?



That's good to know, thanks. So is 2400MHz the minimum?



Thanks, I'll look into the U9B. May I ask why insist on liquid cooling? Do I get more cooling per money out of that?



Right, yes, that was just a placeholder. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into those too.
 

g-unit1111

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OK, yes, I am aware that there are quite a few mATX boards. Maybe it's better if I expand a bit on what I am concerned about here:
As far as I could see, if you put two double slot GPUs on most mATX boards, they would sit very closely on top of each other, right? Now, I read a few people reporting this could lead to heat issues on air cooling, because there is almost no air for the lower card, whose fans basically just massage the other card's back. Please tell me if I'm getting something wrong here.
With the Sniper board, the PCI slots that you would use for SLI are 3 slots apart, unlike the other boards I saw, where they are only 2 slots apart. Hence, only on the Sniper would you get a bit of air between the cards, correct? Or is all of this perhaps totally irrelevant?

Yeah that's true mATX would be a tight fit for SLI - the case is certainly capable of it and the GTX 9XX series are the most energy efficient graphics cards on the market. You will get some air flowing between the two cards but for the most part that is pretty irrelevant. As long as you set your air flow up correctly you shouldn't have any problems.

Yes, I'd definitely prefer more fans too. However, this relates back to the cooling thing from above. With blowers, apparently, you can mitigate this. I assume by letting them suck in cool air from the rear of the case?

I'm not entirely sure about this - I think that all depends on how you get your fans setup.

That's good to know, thanks. So is 2400MHz the minimum?

There is no minimum, DDR3-1600 is the standard that's recommended by Intel. DDR3-2133 is recommended for overclocking, 2400 is better for Haswell based CPUs. I'd suggest reading this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell

Thanks, I'll look into the U9B. May I ask why insist on liquid cooling? Do I get more cooling per money out of that?

I don't really insist on liquid cooling, in a small case you don't have a lot of high end cooling options available, so a cooler with a motherboard busting heat sink like the D14/D15 isn't an option. If you don't want to use anything than a heat sink like the Hyper 212 or U9B, your options are limited.

 

logainofhades

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I would go with this instead.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£165.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£64.78 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI Z97M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£106.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£57.53 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£259.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£259.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Midnight MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£64.79 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1074.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 18:47 GMT+0000
 

g-unit1111

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No storage?
 


That's actually one godly build for 1000 quids. +1
 

logainofhades

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Even with storage, mine would be cheaper.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.50 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£64.78 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI Z97M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£106.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£57.53 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£79.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£268.97 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£268.97 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy M Midnight MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£64.79 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£10.46 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1219.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-22 17:11 GMT+0000
 

g-unit1111

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You can fit a D14 in a Prodigy M? I would think the height clearance of the case would prohibit that.
 

strm

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Yup, NH-D14 definitely fits (http://youtu.be/xR8a3SzjbzU). NH-D15 is dicey. Haven't tried it, but I'm suspecting it depends on the side panel cage.

I'm flattered by all your efforts to get it as cheap as possible. But guys, don't bother, really. I won't order it in one go anyway, see my opening post.

A minimally small SSD is fine for my purposes too, I'm storing all my bulk stuff elsewhere.

Thanks a lot for the PSU suggestions though! They seem to be quite good and very small.
 


The D15 does allow you to store quite a bit more though.