Can I overclock a Phenom II 965 on GA 970-UD3P and Hyper 212 Evo?

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Hello, and thank you for checking out this thread.
I am faced with the need to OC my trusty old PII 965. I am still running it on it's out of the box cooler (little over 2 years now), and it's still performing quite well. However, around January this year, I got a GTX770, you can probably guess where this is going. The CPU is bottlenecking the GPU (horribly). In most games with a full load on CPU, my GPU is barely breaking 60% usage (according to MSI afterburner). So I would like to ask, anyone with experience of a combo like this, or similar. How high could my CPU OC? I'm not looking to break any records here, but I would like to get it around the 4Ghz range.
Thank you in advance for any help.
And happy holidays!
 
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Generally the i5-4440 has has +/- 20% the performance in gaming workloads of the FX-9370. If you overclocked an FX-8320 to 4.5ghz, it would fall in that same category of performance.

The FX would be superior in workloads that scale better to the intercore parallelism. The 8320@4.5ghz would be ~50% faster than the i5-4460 in software video transcoding, as an example.
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How so? I see people getting 3.7 Ghz on the stock cooler. Shouldn't the Hyper 212 Evo be substantially better at cooling?
 
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Well, my alternative is buying an FX8320, but I am concerned that my motherboard is not very good. I have an ASRock 970 DE3 U3S3. It has very poor VRM cooling, and gets pretty hot. Not to mention that new mobo and cooler are about 50 euros cheaper than just the CPU.
 
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I had the exact same set up. I got to an easy 4.2 GHz on a C3 stepping 965BE. Prime95 stable.
 
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The UD3P is a great value board. It has good heatsinks on the vrm's and northbridge. It also has beefy mosfets and chokes. It would work great overclocking an 8320.
 
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Sorry for taking so long to answer, didn't get a notification, thought everyone had ignored my quiestion. I currently have a 970DE3, but want to get the UD3P. For now, it would be just to be able to OC my trusty old 965BE, but later on, I could upgrade to an FX8320 or something of that range.
Have a happy new year!
 
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If you're planning to gut the motherboard anyway, I think you'd be much happier with the results if you moved to the 1150 platform and leveraged an i5 haswell instead.

You're not going to fix as many bottlenecks as you might think going to an FX-8350.
 
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That's a problem for me. I5's are MUCH more expensive than FX 8 cores where I live, and no decent online store (newegg, amazon, etc.) sends to my country. The difference between the prices of the FX8320 and the cheapest I5 is over 50 euros. Considering that the FX8320 is 125 euros, that is a massive gap, and not a whole lot of justification for the I5. I wish I could tell you exactly which I5 I mean, but the store I use (cheapest in my area and they provide amazing service) has their site down, and I need to wait a few days before they can bring it back up (as it is the holidays after all). I will come back to this as soon as I can see which I5 it was.
 
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Acutally, the cheapest I5 is 55 euros more expensive than the FX8320 (that would be the 4460) For that difference I could easily get a Noctua NH-D14 and OC the 8320 to 4.5 (ish) Ghz. I'm damn well certain that the FX 8320 would beat it out in gaming (and pretty much anything) at that clock speed. If you find anything against my statement, I would gladly read it and if it really proves that the difference in price is worth it, I may just get an I5 like you recommended. (Keep in mind, that when we are talking about price, the FX 8320 is 140 euros. The I5 is just under 200).
P.S. You might say "get an unlocked I5 so you can get better performance in the future", but the price of the cheapest unlocked I5 here (the 4670K) Is MORE than 100 euros over that of the 8320.
 
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Generally the i5-4440 has has +/- 20% the performance in gaming workloads of the FX-9370. If you overclocked an FX-8320 to 4.5ghz, it would fall in that same category of performance.

The FX would be superior in workloads that scale better to the intercore parallelism. The 8320@4.5ghz would be ~50% faster than the i5-4460 in software video transcoding, as an example.
 
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I realize that Intel is the better choice for the long run. Thank you for clarifying the performance differences, all of your input and thank you for all of your time and advice. I will consider jumping to Intel thanks to you.
Have a great year!
~UnlimitedBanana
 
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i have phenom 2 x4 955 BE 3.2 GHz overclocked to 4.0 GHZ with evo ,, max heat temp is 58 C ,, but i brought it down to 3.6 in summer because it is hot in egypt ,,,, simply the answer is yes !
 
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You can overclock any compatible CPU on that motherboard. The 970A-UD3P is a very good motherboard for it's price. This is because it's one of the only 8+2 Power Phase motherboards based on the 970 chipset. You should be able to OC your Phenom fine and the same with the FX 83XX CPUs.

Difference is a locked i5 will generally outperform AMD CPUs if the software does not utilize more than 4-Cores. You'll have to get a locked i5 to keep the budget low and by doing that you lose the ability to overclock but it will perform very well in stock speeds. Honestly a 2.5GHz i5/i7 will perform better than AMD's 8350 at stock and sometimes OCed speeds most of the time when paired with the same high-end video card.
 
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