thanks for the info, i was a little confused because the 280 and 285 were factory oc'd vs the nonoc'd 280x.
along with people saying the 280x was better, i wasnt sure how much better especially since it wasnt factory oc'd like the others.
reviews were saying good things about the 285 except for its mantle performance and vram, though i will only be using 2 720p monitors via dvi ill eventually upgrade to a 1080 monitor and tv.