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now i found this 12 core 24 thread build at a nice price tho cheaper would be nice (=

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EET19Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AOGVCZEPDVB8K

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LSWKZC2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1UHORTLQOIKNC

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B4OCWDE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ZUZD2K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER


are all of these compatible ?

also can i do air cooling if so what air cooler would work?

will it be better at encoding 1080 p videos / Blu ray than my xenon 1230 v 3?

also can i game on it like my 1230 v 3 i get 58-60 fps on call of duty advanced warfare max setting with v sync on? would it be better worse or same?

i use the gt x 760 4 GB version

and i only have 4 stick of ram at the moment all 4 GB

now can i put 2 stick on both sides for temporary use i will add more later or will it only work with all slots filled
 
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allegedsin,

From your description, your friend is probably n the right track and you'd benefit from more cores, and probably a greater memory bandwidth.

You didn't mention the program you're using for encoding, but the multi-threaded programs I know have a switch to assign the number of threads to the task. You might try looking around in "preferences" or "options" for core / thread assignment. As you have eight threads, try assigning six to the encoding, leaving two for Windows and a couple of applications. See if the lag is better and dial back the number of threads until it works properly. You might have reasonable result just with this.

However, if there's still trouble, you might think about doing something like...
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allegedsin,

Workstation hardware is quite specialized and for the best results at the lowest costs, it's best to work backwards from the applications- the tasks, the software used, and a target budget. I'd first question the use for all those cores / threads as the range of multi-threaded applications is limited- CPU-based rendering, some video editing and processing programs (and you mention video encoding which is very CPU-intensive), and custom-algorithmic scientific programs such as Matlab. In general, systems that are good at workstation tasks are said to be not very satisfying for gaming- the needs for image quality conflict with image speed.

If you can use all the threads, the question is also a good balance between the number of threads and the CPU speed. In my work, I do renderings that can use multiple threads, but most of the time is in the 3D CA modeling, so I opted for fewer, but faster cores (4 cores / 8 threads @ 3.6 / 3.8GHz) with a wide bandwidth and actually, the renderings are still faster than my older Dell Precision which has 8 cores / 16T @ 3.16. The memory and disk subsystems are also much faster now as are the GPU's.

As regards, your proposed system, the parts appears to be compatible, but I think the gaming performance of the Xeon X5650 (2.66 /3.06GHz) would not be near your E3-1230 v3 system and the 1333 memory at higher latency, and general disk system just not very peppy. On passmark Performance Test a z800 with 2X X5650, GTX 780 , Samsung Evo 840, 6GB RAM:

Rating = 3100, CPU=12519, 2D = 500 , 3D= 6862, Mem = 1369, Disk = 1941

The limitations of the z800 board become apparent when comparing the highest rated system using a pair of X5650's:

EVGA Classified SR-2, Radeon R9 280X, 48GB, Plextor PX-128 >

Rating = 4656, CPU=16469, 2D = 761 , 3D= 6213, Mem = 2291, Disk = 3069

> so the X5650 is capable of good things, and although the EVGA Classified SR-2 is- today about $200 used , I'd say the extra cost would be well worth the investment.

Also, it's possible to buy the excellent X5670 (6-core 2/93 / 3.33 in the $80-90 range and I'd recommend looking fro a pair of those:

2X x5670, EVGA SR-2, GTX 770, IBM RAID controller, 24GB:

Rating = 5580 CPU=14923, 2D = 858 , 3D= 6796, Mem = 12124, Disk = 17458 ! (I'm assuming there are is a high performance 1+0 RAID on that IBM M1015 controller (which cost about $130 used)

Without knowing your expectations, I'd predict the z800 board would not provide an excellent experience. If you'd really like to stay with the X5650, the EVGA Classified SR-2 is the best, followed by Dell Precision T7500.

You could approach your project by buying a used T7500. A system with a 2X Xeon X5650 , a GTX 680, Corsair Neutron 240GB, 24GB RAM:

Rating = 4074, CPU=16303, 2D = 656 , 3D= 5500, Mem = 1821, Disk = 2870

There are so very many T7500's you might find a dual X5670 system reasonably:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-PRECISION-T7500-2x-XEON-X5670-2-93-6-Core-12GB-4x-146-QUADRO-2000-RAID-/191452726998?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item2c9378c6d6

>(completed listing) and that $500 system has two of the excellent 2.93 / 3.33 and 12GB RAM. On Passmark the average dual X5670 scores 13509 to the dual X5650 at 11779. The 2.93 / 3.33 I think would be noticeable especialy in 3D modeling and video processing. I like the X5680 3.33 / 3.6 even more, but these are not often sold under $1,500.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420 (2014) > Xeon E5-1620 quad core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHz > 24GB DDR3 ECC 1600 RAM > Quadro K2200 (4GB)> Samsung 840 SSD 250GB /Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > AE3000 USB WiFi > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H 2560 X 1440 > Windows 7 Ultimate 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 4032 > CPU= 9247 / 2D= 821 / 3D=3263 / Mem= 2584 / Disk= 2470]

Dell Precision T5400 (2008) > 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16GB DDR2 667 ECC> Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 500GB / Seagate Barracuda 500GB > M-Audio 2496 Sound Card / Linksys WMP600N WiFi > HP 2711X, 27" 1920 X 1080 and and Dell 19" LCD > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit >
[ Passmark system Rating = 1859, CPU = 8528 / 2D= 512 / 3D=1097]

2D, 3D CAD, Image Processing, Rendering, Text > Architecture, industrial design, graphic design, written projects






 
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wow thanks for the detailed reply

now all i mainly want is to be able to encode 1080 p / Blu ray videos faster
my CPU now is okay but freezes up when 99% on each core is used well just the mouse lags bad
but does like 5 1080 p videos about 4-8 GB each in about 8-14 min
which is not bad i can live with it but i would like to get some other tasks done in the background and i cannot
because of the mouse lagging which is what i told me friend and he said get a higher core/threaded CPU

as for gaming i don't have high standards only like playing on high setting don't need max or ultra i see little to no difference on a 60 hertz monitor so..
so to sum it up
encode faster without mouse lag and can do other CPU intensive tasks in the background
and play games on high settings

and i have no idea what any of this is 3D CAD, Image Processing, Rendering, Text > Architecture, industrial design, graphic design, written projects so.

was my friend wrong in telling me get high core and more threads?

and if so is there something better suited to what i want?

and lastly that PC on eBay for 500 i would have got but it sold )=

oh and budget is 500$ max all i have left this payday if that helps
 
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allegedsin,

From your description, your friend is probably n the right track and you'd benefit from more cores, and probably a greater memory bandwidth.

You didn't mention the program you're using for encoding, but the multi-threaded programs I know have a switch to assign the number of threads to the task. You might try looking around in "preferences" or "options" for core / thread assignment. As you have eight threads, try assigning six to the encoding, leaving two for Windows and a couple of applications. See if the lag is better and dial back the number of threads until it works properly. You might have reasonable result just with this.

However, if there's still trouble, you might think about doing something like what I did with under $500 last weekend:

1. Dell Precision T5500: Xeon E5620 4-core 2.4 / 2.66GHz, Quadro FX 580, 146GB 15K RPM SAS drive, 875W PSU > $190
2. Xeon X5680 6-core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz > $204
3. 12GB (3 x 4GB) DDR3 1333 ECC RAM > $60 (LGA1366 is triple-channel so RAM come sin sets of three)
4. Dell Perc 6/i RAID adapter > $18

Total= $462

And what I'll do is replace the Xeon E5620 with the fast 6-core X5680, replace the 6GB 1066 RAM with 12GB 1333, and configure the Perc 6/i RAID controller- which pulls the transfer rates almost up to SATA III levels, load my programs and etc. onto the 146 SAS drive. When I'm all set, I'll migrate the spare Quadro 4000 (2GB) and Samsung 840 250GB and I'll have a 6-core /12 thread system that I can, later add a 2nd X5680 -for about another $300-350***- and have 12 cores / 24 threads. A system like this scores about 3100- 3200 on Passmark whereas my T5400 makes 1860.

*** Adding a 2nd CPU involves a daughter board /CPU / memory riser and heatsink / fan /shroud setup, usually $70-120 on Ebay (12.14) and plus the CPU-$200 or so.

You could do something similar with a T5500 or T7500 (1100W PSU!), starting with the $500 -and never miss a beat. Still using your E3, when the new system is all set, bring over the GTX 760 and try the gaming. The memory bandwidth is 32GB/s to the E3's 25.6 and the cache is 12MB to the E3's 8MB, and the registered ECC 1333 actually has a reasonably low latency. so the gaming might be OK. If gaming is OK, sell the E3 system with a used 650ti or 750ti or something reasonably good and not too expensive to buy used.. Then, take those proceeds and add a 2nd CPU and 12GB more RAM. If gaming isn't up to your pace, keep the E3 system for that and find a 650ti or 750ti for the Precision when it makes sense.

This is replacement for my rendering engine: Dell Precision T5400- dual 4-core Xeon @ 3.16GHz, 16GB DDR2 667, Quadro FX4800 (1.5GB) and I'll have a 6-core with 50% more threads and 2X speed memory, and a GPU that on Passmark scores 3D- 2044 to the FX 4800 at 1100. And I' won't be without my 2nd system for more than a couple of hours total.

This approach is not a super future-looking idea as LGA1366 was over with in 2012, but I think in your use it might solve the work problem and in three /four years, find a used Xeon E5 (LGA2011) system.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

 
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