Advice needed: CPU upgrade for gaming PC

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As a very casual PC gamer, I don't know very much about hardware. To keep things to the point here's my current set-up:

GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 970
CPU: AMD FX-4100 Quad Core 3.6GHz
Memory: 8GB RAM

As you can probably see, I'm in dire need of a CPU upgrade, it's been a workhorse so far but most "next-gen" games I've purchased run awfully (Weirdly, Wolfenstein has been the biggest offender thus-far, even more than Far Cry 4). Which processor would you recommend upgrading to? On a reasonable budget.

Word on the street says that Intel > AMD almost always...
 

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The word of the street is true. Intel > AMD in almost all cases while needing less cores. But the important thing is budget/performance. Upgrading to an FX 83XX should up your min and average in general. Going Intel in the long run will be the best for performance but for budget reasons and saving time upgrading to an FX 83XX CPU will be the best option
 

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What is your budget, and are you comfortable switching motherboards to an Intel one? Are you using the computer for anything else while you are gaming that might be using up your RAM, have you checked its useage, some games are pretty leaky and if you are multitasking and have a slow CPU there could be a problem there.
 

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Once again man...I agree with you about Intel > AMD, but there is no point in only going Intel..ever. Intel will provide the most increase in performance but that also requires a whole new build. Along with a whole new build you need to put in more money than buying a new CPU, and you have to worry about selling your hardware for the most price you can get for it. That takes time and effort that may not be worth the outcome. Being a few hours until it is 2015 it's better off to wait for Broadwell or maybe even Skylake to release in 2015 if upgrading to Intel. Even if it's so that you don't think back or regret purchasing an Haswell build. Going from a Zambezi/Bulldozer Quad-Core to a 8-Core Piledriver will still provide a boost. Not so much as an Intel i5 but an improvement that may be acceptable to the OP. If the OP enjoys overclocking his only choices with Intel are Pentium G3258, i5/i7-K series. For AMD you have all of the FX series being overclockable to churn a little more performance out while using less money. Not everyone overclocks and people's opinion on what's more important is different (budget/performance). Honestly I would recommend 1st Gen i5/i7s for people with very low budgets as those are very good CPUs for the price these days. Only problem is finding a good reliable motherboard.
 

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There's an enormous difference in framerates in multiplayer games. Googling games will show you singleplayer benchmarks, which are very GPU bound and not CPU intensive. AMD is "just fine", but Intel is significantly better. That being said, for a casual gamer on a budget, dropping in an FX-8320 would be the easiest and most cost-effective route to take to a better overall experience. If the OP is playing primarily singleplayer games, or is playing multiplayer but is happy with 40-60 fps in CPU intensive games, then the 8320 is a pretty good recommendation.
 

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I'd say at the minute my budget is around £100-£120, about the price range of the aforementioned AMD FX8320 which seems to be higher in performance than a particular i5 Intel CPU a friend of mine is using on the same GPU and claims he never runs into performance problems. Since it is compatible with my board this is probably a good choice as converting board would just cost more money for what I'm asking, I don't fancy dishing out an extra £100 for 10 fps here and there.

I just opened up Wolfenstein (worst running game I own) and my CPU usage averaged at a very consistent 50%. I use my PC for gaming and rarely run anything in the background. Funnily enough, who knew Nvidia's GeForce Experience was such a CPU hog...
 

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Yeah your assumptions are correct, primarily singleplayer games, or multiplayer games that aren't graphically demanding. Steering heavily towards the AMD FX-8320. Thank you!
 

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Fair enough, if you don't want to change around the system too much and you've found the pricepoint for you then that's great. I don't know about AMD CPU's so I can't say which is best. I never install GeForce Experience when I do the drivers, I didn't know it was a resource hog, I just don't trust it :)
 

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Would you be overclocking your AMD CPU? I ask because I checked the prices and the 8350 is only a bit more expensive than the 8320. If you are going to overclock then get the 8320 and you can get it up to 8350 levels, if not you might want the extra performance boost of the 8350, but they are very similar. The 6300 overclocks better than the 8320 and is cheaper and has a lower TDP, but it might be an older chip and it has fewer cores, so I'm not sure if it actually might be a better choice. All three chips run on the AM3+ socket I believe.
 

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Here's the deal. AND has beat intel on cores. But intel has better performance per core. So yes, intel is better. But amd is just fine for gaming. If your wanting to get into cpu intensive stuff like modeling, than intel is the better choice. For gaming, amd is fine. Never had a problem. ATI cards are good to but games seem to like nvidia better.
 

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Shoot really? Going to have to take it off my Gaming Laptops (i7 + GTX 980M/i7 + GTX 650M) and especially off of the 1055T + GTX 465/470 as CPU resources should be kept for gaming as much as possible for the aging CPU.
 

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Not really necessary, I just realised that I had it open whilst a game was running and it was causing the CPU and memory usage to increase slightly, more so than most over applications. Maybe I'm making this up, a parallax observation.
 

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Yeah let's not talk about ATI whilst Nvidia still exists... :lol:
 

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I doubt it, I just tried overclocking my current GPU (using AMD Overdrive) and Far Cry 4 crashes on start-up until it is reverted. I read somewhere that AMD Overdrive isn't the proper way of doing things, haven't ever really dabbled with overclocking. Maybe now would be a good time to start. Which card are you recommending exactly here? If the 8320 will allow me to run games at a consistent framerate MUCH better than my current CPU then I'd be content with not spending any extra than £100.
 

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I'm not an AMD expert at all, but I'll give you my 2 cents. It seems like, in general, the 6300 is just one step down from the 8320/8350 class, especially if you aren't going to overclock it. That being said, for gaming a stock 6300 will perform around the same as a stock 8320 since they have the same base clock and most games don't use more than 4 cores (I don't know if AMD gets around this somehow, maybe they do), but a stock 8350 will outperform both in gaming. For other things like video editing or multitasking the 8320 beats the 6300 due to more cores.

Essentially it just becomes a price question, the 8320 is apparently an underclocked version of the 8350 but their performance is close enough. The 8320 is technically a better performance per pound chip, and you can always overclock it up to 8350 stock rates at any time with some very simple tweaks.

I'd skip the 6300 if you don't want to overclock extensively - if you are only into gaming you can probably get away with the 6300 and you can always learn to overclock it later, but I'd still go with the 8320 over the 6300; more cores, more cache, a slightly better overclocker, the same game performance, yes it has a higher TDP and a higher price but I'd still go for. Frankly, any of the three chips would be a huge step up over the 4100 and it should stop bottlenecking your GPU. I presume your RAM is high-enough speed that it isn't the problem (1600+). CPU's don't contribute a lot to most modern games, it is more the GPU, so getting rid of the bottleneck is the big thing.

For myself, I would go with the 8350 myself and OC it since the price difference is negligible and AMD aren't very strong CPU's in general so if you want to play nice games especially in the future you'll need all the power you can get, but I'm sure the 8320 will play just fine, it is very close to the 8320 so I doubt that you are losing much, if anything, there. As SR-71 Blackbird above said, make sure that all of your other hardware is compatible with it. 8320 is probably the sweet spot, as s/he said.
 

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Yep, i bought the fx 6300 because it wasnt much difference than the 6350, i just enabled turbo and now im at 4.1ghz, idles at 27c with stock cooler :)