ASUS Maximus Formula VII with I7 4790K vs Rampage IV Black Edition with I7 4820K

I'm able to purchase the Rampage black X79 for $340 from my friend's work, he helped me get a deal on it new; so it's only $10 more than the Formula VII with the watch dogs bundled or $~$35 more than the regular formula VII with no game, and the black edition comes with assasin creed iv as well.

The CPU's are also the same price, ~$320. The 4790K has higher stock clock at 4.0 vs 3.7 on the 4820, but they're both 4 core/8 thread cpu's, and the 4820k has 10mb cache vs 8, has 40 pci lanes so it can do 4 way sli and since it's lga 2011 it has a soldered die instead of internal thermal paste so it keeps ~10 degree C cooler temps overall.

I'm going to be putting it in a Corsair 900D with my gigabyte G1 GTX970 and running a corsair H110 with it for now then upgrading to a custom water loop with ek blocks for cpu/gpu etc.. eventually.

So which would you reccomend? They're so close in price with my "friend discount" and the black edition comes with more features and i could probably snag a used 4930K or 4960X on the cheap later this year too. But both of them look very very nice asthetically, although the black edition fits my black and white theme a bit better. But the Formula would still look good since i'm getting an Apogee XL cpu waterblock that will have a custom ROG logo for the LED on it once i put in the water loop so it'd look fine too. Usually the reason people don't reccomende "X" platforms is the higher cost, so i figured if they're virtually the same price then why not go for it right? It'd be closer to the performance of an X99 Rampage V extreme but with much cheaper DDR3 ram.
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  1. I suppose it depends on your future plans. Are you planning on exceeding two GPUs?

    For just gaming either CPU will be about the same. X79 / Z97 difference when comparing those two CPUs would be minimal.

    Not worth tracking down used CPUs for marginal performance increases later on when you are purchasing into an end of life socket. That money would be better spent on planning the next overall upgrade.
  2. Eximo said:
    I suppose it depends on your future plans. Are you planning on exceeding two GPUs?

    For just gaming either CPU will be about the same. X79 / Z97 difference when comparing those two CPUs would be minimal.

    Not worth tracking down used CPUs for marginal performance increases later on when you are purchasing into an end of life socket. That money would be better spent on planning the next overall upgrade.


    Yeah i suppose that's true. My immediate plans are to either get a 2nd Gigabyte GTX970 and water block them for SLI once i get my loop set up. Or to sell my old I5 3570K, gtx970 rig for $500 and use that to buy a GTX980 hydro copper that comes with a waterblock on it already, and get a 2nd one when i can afford it. Eventually i would probably branch out into 3 way SLI or i might just end up moving to a GTX980 TI or TITAN II or whatever they call the GK210 chip.

    But the PCI-E lanes aren't necessarily the only thing that the black edition has that's useful, it has that lower tdp, which is still useful even in water cooling for higher overclocking, plus even if i don't buy them used i would still have the "option" to upgrade to a 4930K or 4960X, while on Z97 the 4790K is the most powerful chip out there for it unless the rumors of a new socket type for broadwell aren't true, but even then an I7-5770K probably wouldn't be much better than a 6 core 4930K right? Unless they go 14nm on us, but iirc that's only Skylake that's doing that. Also, not sure if it's really a pro over the formula, but the rampage black is an E-ATX board so it won't look quite as empty in my huge Corsair 900D supertower case compared to an ATX even if it's only a few inches.


    The only two things i think i'd miss at all from the Formula VII is that really cool crosschill cooling so i can have free motherboard cooling without buying an EK block for the mosfets etc.. and the fact that it'd come with the HD4600 gpu so if my gpu went out on me i'd still have something capable of playing decently new games at 720p and whatnot.

    I've been trying to decide between Formula VII, Rampage IV black, and Rampage V extreme for quite a while; i kind of decided against the X99 Rampage V due to the $400 price of 16gb corsair platinum ram vs $250 for Z97 or X79 so i'm down to these two boards and it's a tough decision.
  3. That's what I mean. LGA1150 has potentially one more chip series if Intel sticks with their roadmap. LGA2011 is already done. LGA2011 V3, requires DDR4 as you mentioned, but it may be the better long term investment.

    Dropping in a hex core CPU won't increase your performance unless you actually utilize all the cores. When you come to that point the money would be better spent on X99 and Haswell E/Broadwell E or Crystal Well E. With Broadwell there might be significant overclocking headroom as compared to the i7-4790k due to the process shrink, but that is about it.

    Crystal Well roadmap for Intel shows both DDR3 and DDR4 support. My guess would be LDDR3 for Y, U, and M chips to keep costs down, and DDR4 for the desktop line. And they haven't mentioned whether there will be another consumer class LGA board. We might all be making the move to workstation class to keep our swappable CPUs.
  4. Eximo said:
    That's what I mean. LGA1150 has potentially one more chip series if Intel sticks with their roadmap. LGA2011 is already done. LGA2011 V3, requires DDR4 as you mentioned, but it may be the better long term investment.

    Dropping in a hex core CPU won't increase your performance unless you actually utilize all the cores. When you come to that point the money would be better spent on X99 and Haswell E/Broadwell E or Crystal Well E. With Broadwell there might be significant overclocking headroom as compared to the i7-4790k due to the process shrink, but that is about it.

    Crystal Well roadmap for Intel shows both DDR3 and DDR4 support. My guess would be LDDR3 for Y, U, and M chips to keep costs down, and DDR4 for the desktop line. And they haven't mentioned whether there will be another consumer class LGA board. We might all be making the move to workstation class to keep our swappable CPUs.


    Yeah i know what you mean, but i wouldn't really be upgrading in one gen anyway, like if i went Z97 formula vii and I7 4790K i would most likely not even consider bumping up to a 5770K since even with the 14nm tech it probably would only allow higher OC'ing as you mentioned and the Ivy-e and haswell-e already overclock better anyway. Although that argument definitely makes a case for X99 though, the problem is that i'm already at $3,000 for this build overall and paying out the extra $80 for the 5820K cpu and an extra $150 for DDR4 RAM means that i would probably not be able to afford the EVGA Supernova G2 850/1000/1300 watt PSU i'm planning to get (not sure which since they price is pretty close and i might go with 3 way sli eventually, but i don't want to end up running a 1300w psu with a single gtx980 for a long time with horrid efficiency. Although i suppose it wouldn't actually "hurt" to do it, excpet a bit higher electric bill) and i also need to buy the white custom sleeve cables for it $90, so the extra i would save sticking with either X79 ($320 cpu $250 ram vs $380 cpu and $400 ram with x99) or Z97 ($330 cpu and $250 ram) would help me afford the PSU. That's why i'm thinking of sticking to X79 or Z97

    . But since i can get a top of the line X79 board for the same price after rebate as teh Z97 i'm in a tough decision. I know i wouldn't use all 6 cores of a 4930K for gaming, but i do plan to use this pc for college classes for graphic design, video editing etc.. so i imagine that the 6 cores of the 4930K would be fairly useful and even the slight benefits of the 4820K over the 4790K like higher overclocking due to the soldered on die, 10mb cache vs 8 on lga 1150 etc.. would help with workstation type tasks like that.
  5. WOW....screw amazon.....just placed the order without me even hitting the button. I hadn't even gotten ok to use the credit card from family member for it yet, was going to confirm with them first and pay them back friday -___-
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