Entry level CAD workstation under $1000 (first time builder)

yb171

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Hi,

I would like to build my own PC for the first time and it's going to be customized mainly toward Solidworks, but I am not going to be a heavy user (assembly will barely, if ever, exceed 100 components).

Here is my parts pick so far: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WQHJP6. I would love to get any comments for better choices, etc. Thanks.
 
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Looks good.
The only suggestion I'd have is to bump up your SSD to 240GB or bigger if you can. Maybe opt for a Crucial M500.
You wont really notice a speed difference between it and the 850 Pro but the extra space will mean a lot in the long run.

Motoxyogi

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Looks good.
The only suggestion I'd have is to bump up your SSD to 240GB or bigger if you can. Maybe opt for a Crucial M500.
You wont really notice a speed difference between it and the 850 Pro but the extra space will mean a lot in the long run.
 
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yb171

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I'm not sure if the kind of work I do now needs overclocking, but I do want to leave some possibility for upgrades, so I changed the motherboard from H79M to Z79M (which is compatible with overclocking), and taking in Moto's suggestion for SSD space I changed from Samsung 128 GB to Crucial 256 GB (similar price, I doubt the speed difference would be noticeable...). Finally, I changed the CPU cooler to Hyper D92, as it is smaller than Hyper 212 with similar performance.

Here is the updated parts list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vMbdf7). The price tag could have been slightly cheaper if I did not override vendors for my preferred choices (I am actually buying all on Amazon Prime and came with ~$960).

Thank you guys for suggestions!
 

mdocod

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Other than the workstation GPU, the rest of your build looks more like a gaming system or general consumer system than a cad engineering workstation. I'm not sure how interested in you are in solving that "problem" but it wouldn't cost much more to do it right....

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CPU: E3-1220V3 ~$200
HSF: Arctic i11 ~$25
MOBO: ASRock Rack C226M WS ~$170
RAM: 2 X KVR16LE11L/4 ~$90
GPU: W4100 ~$160
SSD: M550 256GB: ~$130
Storage: WD1002F9YZ ~$90
PSU: Seasonic G 360W ~$60
Case: N200, Corsair 350D, or Fractal Arc Mini R2 ~$50 or ~$90

That's $975 by my reckoning, $1015 with the optional "nice case" upgrade.

E3-1220V3 is basically a quad core haswell with a 3.5ghz turbo speed and 8MB L3 cache (same performance as similarly clocked i5's in solidworks). Like the i5, no hyper-threading, but as you know, solidworks doesn't scale beyond ~1-2 threads very well so that's irrelevant. The important distinction here, is that the E3 supports ECC memory, the i5 does not.

The Arctic i11 is an easy to install, great quality cooler for the money. Comes with paste.

A C22X series chipset is require for ECC memory support on the 1150 socket platform. Thus, the ASRock workstation motherboard.

Kingston ECC UDIMM's. The price of ECC memory is really no different than premium "gaming/performance" memory. Take advantage.

Solidworkds performs better with the W4100 than with the K620. Driver optimizations, memory bandwidth.

Yes the Seasonic G 360 is more than enough power ;) (this system will rarely run over 150W draw from the PSU).

I like the N200 for the money, good pick! I would rather do a build of this quality in the 350D or Arc Mini R2 if the budget allowed, but the N200 is not bad at all. You're not going to need any additional fans for any of these cases for this build.

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If you don't want to go this route, your best value solidworks build is actually going to be an i3-4360 on H97 board.
 

yb171

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Thanks for pointing out the ECC part. I wasn't sure if the kind of computing work really needs that cutting-edge stability (I spend more time in the lab with my hands on experiments), but I decided to pay extra for it.

So I decided to go for Xeon E3-1230 V3 and the Kingston ValueRAM 2X4 GB that you suggested. I guess the final budget will probably go over $1000 slightly but this was not a strict limit so it's fine. I'm still indecisive about the choice of motherboards...I like the reputation of Asus but I don't know which board would be a value choice...

Is C226 the only chipset for LGA 1150 socket that is compatible with ECC memory ?



 

logainofhades

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For solidworks, I would go with something more like this. You will want an i7 class chip, for that kind of work.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team Zeus Blue 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.99 @ Newegg)
Other: PNY Quadro K620 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card ($169.99)
Total: $987.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-19 15:58 EST-0500
 

mdocod

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ECC memory isn't absolutely necessary here, I do believe it to be the proper, professional choice though, especially where file corruption or compute errors could have devastating effects on a project and productivity. ECC not only has lower error rates, it also has a better track record of reliability, so there's a double bonus there for the system. Even if your system never corrects a single error with the ECC system active, you still get the "peace of mind" that comes with knowing that you're running a system component with nearly a 10X lower failure rate than traditional consumer memory. There are 2 fantastic articles over at pugetsystems concerning the use of ECC system memory, and those guys specialize in building workstations for professionals.

On the 1150 socket, ECC memory is supported by the C222, C224, and C226 chipsets. Most boards configured for workstation use are going to have the C226 chipset.

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Here's some ATX C226 chipset workstation motherboards:

Supermicro X10SAT ~$250
Supermicro X10SAE ~$200
ASRock C226 WS ~$200
ASRock C226 WS+ ~$250

The WS+ is nice because it was released around the time of the haswell refresh update, so would work with an E3-1231V3 out of the box, I can't confirm compatibility with the 1231 on the other boards, depends if they are shipping with the most recent BIOS or not. I think if you're in the market for the 1230V3 it would be worth finding out what BIOS version is shipping from the reseller and opt for the 1231V3 if it will be supported out of the box.

Obviously all of those boards are ATX, not microATX, and would require a new Case selection.

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Something to consider.... As we push into the hyperthreaded E3's on nicer ~$250 boards, Intel's own 2011-3 socket and C612 chipset is within spitting distance...

Supermicro X10SRA ~$280
E5-1620V3 is ~$300
1X8GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM ~$110

That would add about $100 to the implementation cost (vs an E3-1231V3+$250 board), and basically puts you on a platform that is ready to be expanded up to 18 core haswells and possible 24 core broadwells and up to 512GB RAM if your compute needs change in the coming years.
 

yb171

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So I was feeling indecisive, especially the fact that I had to change my case size from microATX to ATX, and I ended up revising my order for the combination of i3 4360 on Asus H97M, and no ECC memory. I gauged that for the next five years, my computing need wouldn't be intensive as to justify going extra for ECC, and maybe the Xeon is probably a bit more than I need. This is my first build anyway, and perhaps my second build would seriously consider making space for fancy upgrades.

So with this I would like to close the thread, and thank you all for your detailed suggestions; I learned a lot and I actually didn't expect to get responses this fast. On my Amazon prime the bill totaled around $980, so I ended up spending fewer than $1000 :)