Help! Trying to use neighbors WiFi setup to gaming adapter then to my own router.

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I am brand new to this site and hope someone can help me. I searched for a solution in the forums but could not find one, so I hope this is not a duplicate. I will try to be brief and to the point while giving as much detail as possible. I am no tech expert, however I have a moderate amount of computer and networking skills. Thank-you so much in advance for your time and assistance, I have probably spent 40-50 hours over the last 2-3 weeks trying to figure this out, and it's driving me mad, it just doesn't make sense. I need the help of someone much smarter than I am. Okay, here goes.

Overview:
I did a lot of computer work for my neighbors so in return they gave me their Wifi information (SSID, WiFi password, and even the router password,) so that I can use their internet as I choose. The signal only reaches to my living room so I am basically trying to use their Wifi to setup my own wireless network in my house. The basic setup is as follows, (more detailed info is below); I pickup the neighbors wireless internet signal through a wireless gaming adapter and then plug an ethernet cable from that gaming adapter into my own router that then broadcasts my own wireless internet signal. My two devices are manually configured and I have managed to get the internet connection established but I am running into problems, which I will explain next.

Specifics and Configuration:

Device 1: Neighbor's router

My neighbor's ISP is Charter Communications in St. Louis, MO. and they use a Linksys WRT54G2 router with WPA2-AES and is set to Automatic Configuration-DHCP with SSID of "linksys". So when I am in their house right beside their router and use my Android HTC One M7 and connect to their network, I get around an average of 12-13 Mbps download speed (via Android speedtest.net app,) so I imagine they have an up to 15 Mbps connection.

Device 2: My Wireless gaming adapter

In my living room window I have my Linksys WET610N gaming adapter setup, and I am using my Acer Aspire laptop running Windows 7 to do all setup and configurations (also I use Chrome browser vs IE.) I factory reset the gaming adapter and plug it into my laptop via ethernet port and use the web based setup tool. I do manual setup (vs WiFi protected setup) and leave all other options untouched,(including Automatic DHCP.) So I connect to "linksys" SSID and enter in the passphrase and connect just fine. So all seems to be good and working thus far. So at this point the gaming adapter is successfully connected to their wireless internet, the best signal I can get is about 19-29% (via the device's web based tool). Now with the gaming adapter still attached via ethernet cable I run several speed tests (using speedtest.net) and get anywhere from 4.5 up to 7.5 Mbps, but most the time it comes in about 5.5 Mbps, which with only about 25% signal I figure is right. All seems to be good so far, but next is where the problems come in.

Device 3: My wireless router connected to my gaming adapter

My next step is to configure my wireless router so I have my own wireless signal. Now I disconnect the power from the gaming adapter and power up my router (Netgear WGR614 v6) and launch the web based setup with ethernet. First thing I have to do is (under LAN IP Setup) change the router's IP address to 192.168.20.1 instead of the default 192.168.1.1 because that is also the ip address of my neigbors Linksys router. Also my router is configured as DHCP server and the starting IP is 192.168.20.2 and ending IP is 192.168.20.51. I apply changes and log back in using new IP (192.168.20.1) and under basic settings leave settings unchanged, so it's set (to get automatically or get dynamically from ISP.) Next under wireless settings I set my SSID and change the router to use channel 1 vs 11 (it has much less interference) and I use WPA-PSK since that is the best option and set my pass-phrase. I leave everything else default and apply changes and wait for it to update. After it is complete I power down everything; my laptop, my gaming adapter, and my router. After everything is off I connect an ethernet cable from the gaming adapter to my router (yes in the internet port) and then power on only the gaming adapter. Once the gaming adapter has powered on and the LED shows its connected to the neighbor's Wifi, I then power on my router. Now my router is powered on and all the LED lights look good (power, internet is flashing to show activity and wireless is on.) Here is where my problems (or my confusion) begins. I power up my laptop and connect a second ethernet adapter into one of the 4 ports on my Netgear router into my laptop and I get internet just fine, so I run a speed test (speedtest.net) and get around 4-5Mbps or so. Now thats not bad but its down from 4.5-7.5Mbps when I run the ethernet straight from the gaming adapter to my laptop. This isnt my real concern though, 4-5Mbps would be fine. Next I unplug the ethernet and connect my laptop to my router's SSID and get a good connection. Now if I have my laptop 2 feet from my router or across the house I get around 2-3Mbps, so I have dropped from 7Mbps to 3Mbps when I connect wireless, and this still isn't even my biggest concern. If I could maintain the 3Mbps or so that would be at least acceptable, but here's my real problem. Every time I start from scratch and configure everything from the beginning I have the 3Mbps download but usually the following morning when I wake up and run a speed test I've dropped down to about .25Mbps, one time it stayed at 3Mbps for 2 days but every other time it drops the next morning. Ive tried power cycling all the devices and my laptop to no avail, so I have to reconfigure everything from scratch to have it at 3Mbps again for another 8-10 hours. So ultimately my question is what the heck is happening that every morning it seems to goof up, and it stays that way until I do it all over again. One other important piece of info is that in the mornings I am getting the .25Mbps if I plug the ethernet that was in the router directly into my laptop I get the usual 7Mbps when plugged directly to the gaming adapter. If anyone has any idea what's happening I would be so greatful because this is literally making me go insane.

Thank-you so very much to anyone who read this far and I apologize for the long post but I felt it necessary to explain in detail my problems. Thank you all again so much. If I somehow left something out, or anyone has a question please let me know. And to anyone who can help solve this mystery, you will forever be my tech hero!





 
Solution
You need to disable DHCP and NAT on your router and turn it into an access point. You are creating conflicts. You should only have 1 device making DHCP assignments on the network. You are most likely running into DHCP refresh issues when one or both of the routers are trying to go through and refresh their IP tables.

You need to set up your router as an access point (AP) instead of a router.
1 - Leave your neighbors' Linksys as the DHCP server and find the DHCP server range. The default for this router appears to be 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.253.

2 - Reduce the range from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2.

3 - On your router, assign an IP address of 192.168.1.1.

4 - In your router, turn off DHCP and NAT. Let your...

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You need to disable DHCP and NAT on your router and turn it into an access point. You are creating conflicts. You should only have 1 device making DHCP assignments on the network. You are most likely running into DHCP refresh issues when one or both of the routers are trying to go through and refresh their IP tables.

You need to set up your router as an access point (AP) instead of a router.
1 - Leave your neighbors' Linksys as the DHCP server and find the DHCP server range. The default for this router appears to be 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.253.

2 - Reduce the range from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2.

3 - On your router, assign an IP address of 192.168.1.1.

4 - In your router, turn off DHCP and NAT. Let your neighbor's router take care of all of this.

If you have more questions, consult this link:
Using Wireless Routers (or Modem/Wireless Router) as a Switch with an Access Point - http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html

If you are trying to create a 2nd network on a different subnet for your own house, them hit the link at the very bottom of the page for "shield"
 
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First off thank-you for taking the time to help me here, I am in your debt. Okay, I did everything just like you said (except their routers range started at 192.168.1.100 so I just bumped it to 101 and set my routers IP to 192.168.1.100) and set everything up from scratch and...once it was setup I couldnt connect my laptop to my router, or rather I could connect but no internet data was passing through, I couldnt even get to the router's config page. I was just about to throw everything out the window when I thought for the heck of it I would move the ethernet cable from the primary internet port on my router, and put it into one of the LAN ports and it seems to have worked!! Was it supposed to be in a LAN port from the start B/C I've been using the primary internet port on my router and not one of the LAN ports. I thought the LAN ports were for wired connections only, if you care to please explain B/C I would love to understand this better. Also I did ipconfig after I connected to my new Wifi and my IPV4 address seems to be within the range of the neighbors router, (192.168.1.106) so Im assuming its now configured correctly so that my only DHCP config is coming from their router. One last question, on my gaming adapter I have that set to Automatic Config. DHCP and not to static IP instead, is this the correct setup? My guess is that it means it receives an IP automatically from their router (the incoming source) and not that it is an outbound Automatic IP configuration, am I on track here? I hope I have this setup properly now, again thank you so much for taking the time to read my massive post and for sharing your knowledge with me, you may have saved me another 50-60 hours of headaches, so thank-you so much.
 

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The only WAN port that should have been used was the WAN port from the ISP's modem to your neighbor's router. Everything else should be wired through LAN so what you did makes sense. The WAN port is only really used when connecting internet service to your network. Everything else is just part of your Local Area Network (LAN).

All of the IP addressing will be done by your neighbor's router going forward so you are getting the correct IP addresses. Their router will take care of all of the Network <--> Network linking. Your WET610N should be just about as transparent as an ethernet cable and your router is just a point to connect things (wired or wirelessly) to the network controlled by your neighbor's router. DHCP means the router can change the IP addresses of devices if it thinks it is necessary. Static means that it never changes. Unless you have IP addressing issues, DHCP is probably preferred.

If it's working, then you should be good to go.

 

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