New AMD FX-8320E Vishera 8-Core 3.2GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Socket AM3 idles at 50 degrees!!!

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Hey everyone. Just got a new AMD FX-8320E Vishera 8-Core 3.2GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Desktop Processor to replace my older AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus Quad-Core 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Desktop Processor last week and the temps alarm me!!! :ouch: :ouch: First, here's my specs

my New AMD CPU...lol
MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ AMD 970 mobo
8 gigs ram
radeon 7800 series video card

When i first installed the new CPU and started my computer, MSI Control center was registering the temps of the processor at 50 degrees... in idle mode!!! I thought maybe the preplaced heat sink material that comes stock on the fan and heatsink was bad so i took out the cpu got all the old heat sink material off and put on some of my Artic Silver. Same temps! My processor isn't overclocked either. I have three 120mm case fans blowing air into my computer and 2 120mm fans sucking air out of my computer. With the same setup my previous AMD quad core never went over 30 something degrees at idle.
I took the side of my computer case off as well to see if it made a diff and it only made about a 3 Degree difference. When i play a game, which currently is Project Cars, the temps shut up to 65 degrees. Currently as I'm typing this the temp is 50 degrees. I've checked and rechecked everything multiple times. Made sure everything was connected and that nothing was blocking the cpu fan and so forth. I've check my bios and MSI control center to make sure something isn't set wrong like voltage, base clock or the multiplier. My computer is running the CPU like its supposed to.
I'm not having any issues like freezing, stuttering, and or slow downs that one might get when a cpu is running to warm. I've downloaded other cpu temp monitoring programs like Coretemp, HWmonitor, and something else but they all give diff temps and is confussing. I tend to stick with the MSI control center because it's been reliable in the past. I bought the CPU from Newegg and thinking maybe I've gotten a bad processor and need to sent it back but i wanted to get everyone's advise on it before i go down that rout. Thanks for any help in this matter.
 
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Wow a video, that is a perfect way to provide information to people trying to help you. The temperature that the motherboard is giving you is the Socket Temp. That temperature is allowed to go up to 72C. What is really important is the temperature of the cores and in the video you provided I believe it stayed at ~27-35C degrees which isn't bad.

Now 50C for the socket at idle is still too high. Undervolting probably won't help much with lowering socket temps compared to core temps. The thing is you showed a video of your CPU on idle. I would appreciate it if you can either make a video or tell me how hot the Socket Temp and Core Temps get when you load the CPU 100%. That is the only way to know for sure if the...

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Ambient temps is cool. Even little chilly maybe due to my fan being on. According to MSI control my system temp is 30 degrees. I downloaded HWMonitor and not really sure which one is my CPU temp.
 

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50C at idle sounds too hot especially for a 8320E that is suppose to be low leakage and have lower stock vcore to begin with. Gives us the Thermal margins from AMD Over Drive and then give us the Package Temps and CPU Temps from HWMonitor.
 

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Okay, Here's some screen shots of the readings for CoreTemp, HWMonitor, and my MSI control center







The temps in bios shows about the same between 46-50 degrees. I didn't get a reading for AMD overdrive because for some reason it only gives the temps of my GPU and not the GPU and CPU. Maybe i need to change a settings of some kind for the cpu temp to show up on AMD overdrive... :??:
So, what you think??? I want to think you guys for your help in this matter. I know it takes a lot of work to monitor these post and answer them all to help us out..
 

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Awesome. First thing first, 1.4335V shown in your first picture is way too high for your current settings. Picture shows x16 multiplier for CPU and a 200 FSB. That's a 3.2GHz FX 8320E and voltage should be more like 1.1XXV. With a voltage like 1.4335 you can probably OC hotter FX 83XX CPUs to 4.7GHz. You probably want to manually set the voltage to a more ideal voltage. An ideal voltage would be 1.1625V as that's what CoreTemp shows for your VID. It would kind of make sense that the CPU/motherboard would use 1.4335V when the CPU boosts to the Turbo Boost speed but it is way too much in my opinion. Even with the older Visheras the 83XX CPUs could run ~500MHz above the stock speed with the stock voltage. Your chip is a better binned, lower leaking 8-Core so it shouldn't need voltages that high for normal usage.

Second picture nothing seems wrong. One thing I will tell you what temperature readings are important in HWmonitor. The two important numbers are TMPIN0 is your Socket Temperature and the Package Temp under FX 8320E is the Core Temp. Socket temp is usually always hotter than the Core temp which is why your TMPIN0 shows ~40C while the Packate Temp (Core Temp) shows a much lower 20C. Two ways you can lower socket temps is to put a fan behind the motherboard socket and put a fan cooling your VRMs. That will make the socket and core temps much similar. The max temps for Vishera was known to be 61/62C for Core Temps and 71/72C for Package temps but things may have changed.

So my suggestion is that you lower the CPU Voltage shown in the MSI Control Center, better if you do it form the BIOS. At stock speeds you only need ~1.1625V but the CPU might need a little more voltage to run at it's boost speed. I would suggest setting the CPU Voltage to around 1.3V and then run a stability program like Prime95/OCCT/IBT AVX to see if 1.3V is stable to run the CPU at full load. If it passes, lower the CPU voltage a little more again. Maybe by .1 or .25 increments and test for stability once again. Continue to do this until you can't pass the stability test and just use the last lowest voltage setting that passed the stability test. This would be called undervolting but in your case I think the motherboard is setting voltages too high
 

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So, I made the changes to the cpuVolts but it didn't seem to help on the temps. Not sure what else could be the prob. To help better see my temps and everything in real time a made a video recording for you of my computer screen while running CoreTemp, MSI control and HWmonitor at the same time. Just a short video so if you could watch it and see if something else needs to be changed. Its a youtube video found here:

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjgg8hIDPg&feature=youtu.be"][/video]
 

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Wow a video, that is a perfect way to provide information to people trying to help you. The temperature that the motherboard is giving you is the Socket Temp. That temperature is allowed to go up to 72C. What is really important is the temperature of the cores and in the video you provided I believe it stayed at ~27-35C degrees which isn't bad.

Now 50C for the socket at idle is still too high. Undervolting probably won't help much with lowering socket temps compared to core temps. The thing is you showed a video of your CPU on idle. I would appreciate it if you can either make a video or tell me how hot the Socket Temp and Core Temps get when you load the CPU 100%. That is the only way to know for sure if the CPU is running warmer than usual because Idle temps are more likely to be inaccurate. Also if you could I would appreciate it if you install AMD Overdrive and show the CPU Thermal Margins.

There are a few things you can do to make the CPU cooler. Make sure your computer is free of dust and that cables are managed nicely so they don't block airflow. You already have a good amount of fans so I don't think that is anything to worry about. Next you can add a small fan directly to your heatsink to cool the VRM and the socket. That usually drops socket temps by almost 5C. Next if your case allows it you can add a fan at the back of your motherboard to cool the back of your motherboard socket. That will drop another 5-10C. Here are pictures of what I kind of mean. i added fans to my heatsink and a fan behind my mobo to keep my CPU and it's surrounding components cool as possible. Finally you can get a better cooler for your CPU.

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NIce..... fans on the vrm heatsink and a fan on the socket backplate.
 

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I've tried 2 thermal paste. The one that came p reinstalled on the heat sink then my artic silver with pretty much same results.
 

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I cleaned my pc of dust 3 weeks ago and my computer is pretty clean inside as well as all cord that arn't in use I've done a pretty good job keeping any cords not in use tucked away. I also have filters on my three 120mm intake fans so not much dust gets in my PC. I made a video of my temps for you while running Prime95 and here are the results:

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKXhQn3thjA"][/video]

Prime95 is running in the back ground. Notice my CPU temps hit 71 degrees. Also, i can't get AMD Overdrive to show my CPU temps only my GPU. Do i need to activate a setting in the catalyst control center??
 

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Okay sounds good. Well your Socket Temp was running at 66/67C when 71/72C is the Max and Your Core Temps were at 51C when 61/62C is the max. So your CPU isn't running that hot. If you want to run any cooler from here you will either have to add fans to the VRM/Socket or get an aftermarket cooler. I do not think your CPU is defective in anyway. As for AMD Over Drive I'm not sure why it doesn't show CPU temps/Thermal Margin.

I'll take a screenshot of my Temps when running Prime95.

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I believe Max Core Temps for FX 83XX is now 70C and Socket Temp is 80C. That's what I've read in a few places and that's what AMD Overdrive is kind of telling me non directly
 

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Here is the screenshot. As you can see I put a box around the temperature that is important to you. My CPU is a 125W version and is overclocked but it runs around the same temps as you. My Socket temps are lower because of the additional fans I am using. It use to get to 70-80C without them when I was OCing. The single most important temperature reading for AMD Vishera CPUs is probably the Core Temps and the Thermal Margins given by AOD. You're Core Temps seem okay to me, nothing to worry about. You can always wait to see other people's responses though.

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thanks for the help in this all. I still have the question of why does this things run that hot?? Never had a AMD CPU run this warm before but this is also my first 8 core cpu though. Kind of stinks that i have to buy a aftermarket cooler to cool this things down instead of using the one that comes with it, lol. Okay, what aftermarket cooler would you recommend?? l will be buying it from Newegg so if you could post a link for one. I would like to get one that isn't going to be to noisy. The reason i put 120mm case fans in my computer to begin with was so i could quite my computer. The previous 80mm fans had to run faster, thereby making more noise, to move the same amount of air that my 120mm fans will . I'll implement those other suggestions you made by putting some extra fans here and there...Just need to put in the right ones so my computer stays quite. Should i lower the cpu voltage???
 

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I Just figured out the AMD overdrive things. I though AMD overdrive was part of your catalyst driver download. I didn't know you had to download the AMD Overdrive program. I've downloaded it and now i can see the temp. I'll Make another video of the AMD Overdrive settings so you can see them.
 

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Sounds good. Yes you should not need or have CPU Voltage set to 1.4V+ unless you're attempting to overclock to the 4.6GHz range (which you shouldn't do with your stock cooler). From your first video I saw your CPU had it's CPU voltage set to like 1.13/1.14V. That's more like the voltage you should be running on your CPU. I would go as low as you go while the CPU passes Prime95 test for 1-2 hours or even 8+ hours.

It's true that AMD CPU's especially the 8-Cores run a bit warm. Even the 'E' versions you have. That being said stock heatsinks are almost never good anymore. Before I recommend a CPU cooler and you buy one you will want to add those fans behind the socket at least and even on the VRM heatsinks if you want to.

As you want your computer to be quiet as possible you want to go with bigger fans if possible as it takes slower RPMs of bigger fans to move the same amount of air. If you can add a 120MM fan between the back of the motherboard and the back side panel that would be the quietest option to cool the socket but it may not fit. Then you would want to find the quietest smaller fan to use. For CPU cooler if you're not planning to OC a Hyper 212 Evo might be just for you as long as it fits your case. I've read a few customer reviews where they state that the VRMs on your motherboard are horrible and that you don't want to OC your CPU. They tried OCing a Phenom Quad Core and the VRM ended popping/smoking and failing. Your CPU being a 8-Core would probably stress the VRM faster with a slight OC.
 

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No worries on overclocking. Not my thing. I just don't want to cause a nuclear melt down when i try to play project cars, looool, with those warm temps. Here's a video of AMD Overdrive and it's readings of my PC.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpMEetFyKM&feature=youtu.be"][/video]

 

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No worry about having any meltdowns. No video game will stress the CPU as much as Prime95. Even when running Prime95 your temps were below the Max temps with your stock cooler so while playing games it should be even lower. From seeing the AMD Overdrive video your Thermal Margin stays near 42-43C. That would mean your CPU Core Temps is running around 28-29C at Idle loads which isn't bad at all for a stock cooler in my opinion. Getting a new cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo, and adding fans to the socket/vrm will keep your CPU cool. You don't even have to do all the changes at once. Decide if you want to get the aftermarket cooler first or if you want to add a fan to the socket/vrm first. I'm using an H100i and my Thermal Margins are from mid 40s to 50C so you're temps aren't far off.
 

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What method do you use to attach the fan on the back of the motherdoard??? Also, I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean by " attaching a fan to the heatsink to cool the VRM and the socket" When i think of adding a fan to the heat sink...Isn't the CPU fan attached to the cpu heat sink already??? The socket temps do get pretty toasty playing a game. I was playing Project Cars and MSI recorded my socket temps at 62 degrees but amazingly core temp was giving core temps of my cpu at half of that. What do you think is causing my socket temps to be so high especially compared to my actual core temps??