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Hey all,

I've been looking at many different forums and seeing lots of information on different topics. My problems is that I cannot put all the information I've been seeing into my own situation, as I do not know how my edits to other people's setups will effect the outcome. (Sorry for that being poorly worded. I hope it still made sense.)

1) I am planning on building a computer.
2) I do not have a budget per-say, but I will not be spending an absurd amount of money on this system. I really do not know what is considered absurd but I'm thinking no more than $3,000. If that's ridiculous please let me know. ;)
3) I want to be able to game on this system. I would also like to be able to record (via capture card), edit, and render videos.
4) I've been looking into different resolution possibilities and have started thinking about perhaps going higher than 1080p.

The reason I'm making an entirely new thread is because I want to be able to play higher end games (Battlefield 4, Evolve, etc.) while maintaining a baseline 60fps.
So, what kind of power will I need to be running higher resolutions with high GPU/CPU demand games?

I am planning on getting something in the range of i7-4790k CPU-wise. I could go higher, that may be something to ask about in a different forum.

Can you guys help me with some expertise? (I'm sorry for this poorly worded thread.)
Thank you very much for your time and assistance.

-Tom A.
 
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to spend more money you would simply have to go to an x99 set-up and then start dropping multiple video cards into the pc. there are the very high end gpu's that are $1500+. you can go crazy and drop multiple 1 tb ssd's at $600+ each and 64 gb of ddr 4 ram at close to $1000 and other things but this would be spending money to spend it. you could make a build like this and break $5000 easy.

CES this year really did not offer much in the way of cpu's this year. they spoke of the next intel's but that is a long way off. i'm curious what amd has coming up. it has been a while for them and i wonder where they are going. i really hope that they have something high end up their sleeve to help drive intel's prices down. competition is better...

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$3000 is a bit of overkill. you can go VERY high end for a bunch less. to give you an idea this would do all you want and some. would even do 4k gaming if you wish to spend the left over cash on the monitor for it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($136.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($123.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($334.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($334.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1826.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-23 17:52 EST-0500

this is pretty much best of the best without going stupid about it. i'm sure someone will come along with the x99, dual 980 build so i'll let them do it. i just grabbed a case to get the price in there. you can switch it up to whatever. just grabbed the antec since i have had one and know it is a good cse :)

the left over money in your budget can go to a dual or triple monitor set-up or a nice 4k screen. whatever you feel like. the dual 970's will do triple 1080p or 4k pretty easily. and of course there is money to be saved if you wish. could easily drop it a couple hundred by changing the cpu ,less ram, cheaper or no ssd.....
 

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Okay thank you Math Geek and Coolboy951.
Coolboy951: Why go the Radeons instead of a GeForce setup?
Math Geek (or both of you): How would a system like this hold up with dual-monitor (I don't think I need more than 2 screens) while recording at Ultra settings while maintaining 60fps. I figured a setup for that would cost more. I guess I don't really know that much about this stuff yet but from what I've heard, I thought anything that rigorous would need more power from GPU/CPU.

I am not going to buy anything yet as I'm still waiting on what new comes out for February 2015, but I really do appreciate this help! :D
 

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With $3000 you can do so much stuff. Go with Math geeks build however change the Power Supply to something with around 800-1000W, due to 970 SLI, and have it at least 80+ GOLD. That 750W Bronze is not going to cut it. And yes your going to be perfectly fine with 2 monitors.
 


errr.... a 750 will cut it
 

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With two 970s and space for upgrade? He is willing to spend up to 3,000, and getting a 750 bronze would be a total cheap out.
 



http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-970-sli-review,4.html
a sli 970 stock uses 326W inc the system, even if we add an extra 100w for each card ( If OP gets high end 970's) , it's only use 526, just because he can afford spending that much doesn't mean he has to, the efficiency won't affect his computer in any way a solid bronze psu with 600w or 500w will be fine really
 

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Might not affect his computer but it will affect his electricity bill....
 

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After seeing a full build adding up to 1800, 3000 is indeed sounding a bit ridiculous. I'll check out any upgrade possibilities but I do appreciate the input.

I have another question after seeing your guys' links thought. Why would one go with the more expensive and higher level Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor, instead of an Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor?

The 4790k is much .5Ghz faster without messing with the clock speed. Is there something else in there that I'm missing? Is there any reason to consider the 5930K instead?

Thanks again!
 


Yeh, a gold rated psu will save like 10 dollars a year, don't quote me
 


Don't know why everyone is suggesting so many high priced rigs, get a i7 4790k with board, that'd be $500-$600? sli a 970, it'll all add up to $1200 maybe, $300 left for 2 monitors, job done, and ofc $300-$400 for pc components
 

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not sure what you mean. that is exactly what i did. i7, sli 970's and some extras just cause. i did say there was money to be saved by dropping the ssd and other such things (such as 8 gb ram instead of 16 gb and other thigns). my build also included windows, case etc feel free to post this $1500 dual monitor, 970 sli, complete build you feel is out there as i would like to see it. be sure to include windows, the case and all the fixings. should be some nice cheap parts out there for this. with a $3000 budget i did not think he would mind some bells and whistles with it still being only $1800.

as for the difference with the newer x99 i7's. they are 6 and 8 core cpu's finally. the i7-4790k is only quad core but with hyper threading it has 8 threads. this and the fact they are the newest latest greatest is why they cost so much. you can spend the money if you wish but really there does not seem to be the need in your case. you'll be gaming and streaming at max settings no problem with the 4790k.


there is no reason to go with 1000w psu for this. a couple of 175w gpu's and a cpu couldn't get to 750w if it tried. you can oc this same system with 1 970 on 500w. 250 more for another 175w card is more than enough with room to spare.
 

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the extra cores will get you added performance in applications that can use the extra cores. a program has to be written to handle spreading it's tasks out over multiple cores and many are just now being written to handle more than 4 cores. video/audio production and editing, rendering and other assorted programs are the main ones i know of that a regularly written for more than 4 cores and these are high end and very expensive programs. something like ripping a cd to mp3 only uses one core so having 20 cores won't make it any faster. here you would want single core performance over more cores. it just depends on the program and what it can handle.

i don't do those types of things so i can't give specific programs. if you really want to, look for benchmarks of the fx-8*** series vs i5's. the intel cpu has much better single core performance and 4 cores but the fx with it's 8 cores will beat out the i5 on any program that can use all 8 cores. these are the programs that are optimized for this many cores or more. the 8 less efficient cores can do more work than the 4 better intel cores and therefore outperform the i5 on these specific applications.

with intel adding the extra cores and hyper threading to the new x99 cpu's, this advantage will be wiped out completely. now you can get 6 or 8 of these much better cores and hyperthreading to make it 12 or 16 threads vs the fx's 8 threads. the i7 already had 8 threads and would beat the fx series easily (though for a lot more money). so unless you have a program that can use more than 8 threads or you run a massive amount of apps at a time that might need the extra muscle to do a bunch of things concurrently, then the 12-16 x99 threads is massive overkill and not worth the very high premium at this time. games rarely take advantage of more than 4 cores and the few that do won't use more than the 8 the i7 offers.

the second thing it brings is a lot more pcie lanes that the cpu can handle. it is really not an advantage right now since nothing uses the 16 lanes already available to the current gen cpu's. once we start using the pcie lanes for a lot more things and need these extra lanes, then this will become an advantage as well. i think the 2011-3 cpu's have 32-40 lanes depending on the model (at least i believe this is what they have).

hopefully this has shed some light on the new cpu's for you :) it's a lot to take in but for now, it is not really worth that massive cost unless you are into some hgh end professional creation or just have a massive bank account and want to just cause you can :D
 

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Okay so I hope it's not too rude of me to revive this thing but I have another question or two.
First question: I was looking at spending up to $3000 on a rig and you guys came up with builds of less than $2000. So I'm curious as to what kind of build you'd have provided had I said my budget was $10,000. Unlimited? I feel like you can't go much higher even if you try.

Second question/comment: I thought the CES2015 was in February for some reason. Apparently it's already done. I was waiting to see what new tech came out or is coming out in the near future. The only new tech I saw was a sixth generation of processors from Intel. So I'm wondering if that is something worth waiting for.
Also, was that the only PC related news? I didn't see anything else but I could have missed it.

Thanks again for your guys' help!
 

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to spend more money you would simply have to go to an x99 set-up and then start dropping multiple video cards into the pc. there are the very high end gpu's that are $1500+. you can go crazy and drop multiple 1 tb ssd's at $600+ each and 64 gb of ddr 4 ram at close to $1000 and other things but this would be spending money to spend it. you could make a build like this and break $5000 easy.

CES this year really did not offer much in the way of cpu's this year. they spoke of the next intel's but that is a long way off. i'm curious what amd has coming up. it has been a while for them and i wonder where they are going. i really hope that they have something high end up their sleeve to help drive intel's prices down. competition is better for us all and right now they have none so we are seeing crazy high prices on the new stuff. if amd abandons the high end, then we are simply screwed. the $1000 cpu will not be the top end but rather the average if intel has nothing to worry about.

just for fun, here is an example of how crazy you could go with a build if your last name was gates. this is not even as high as it can go but should give you an idea. can easily add to this with twice as expensive gpu or multiple ones....

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($1005.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($128.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($346.93 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (8 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($1099.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($577.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($577.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 295X2 8GB Video Card ($779.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $4760.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-27 17:42 EST-0500

this is not including a case but they can go for hundreds of dollars at the high end too. don't forget the monitors as well. and you can see where this could go
 
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Damn. And you pretty much answered my next question: "Why has everyone on here recommended and Intel processor of some sort?" I haven't seen much love for AMD processors but I suppose that's because it's more of a budget oriented CPU (correct?) I thought I'd seen some higher end CPUs from them but I may have been mistaken.
Thanks again for that, Math Geek.
 


i myself love AMD processor there great for gaming and they fit the budget, intel are good to better most of time but are over priced.
 

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the fx series was the last high end cpu's they put out and that was a while ago. they have focused on the apu's lately which are good for their purpose but not for gaming pc's. the 9000 series refresh this year was simply some super oc'ed 8000 series chips. when they first hit they were great performers but now they are showing their age. they are cheap enough that they have become the budget cpu of choice if the price is right. you will still get good performance from them just not what you can with intel. the i5's have dropped in price enough that to me the 83**'s too expensive. for little more, you can move up to an i5. an fx-8350 at $160+ on a $125 mobo (needed for a decent oc), is too close to an i5-4460 or better on a $100 mobo. the i5 is enough of an improvement to skip the 8350 to me at these prices. when the i5 was $100+ more the 8350 was an awesome deal but not anymore.

i do like the 6300 at $100 though. this to me is a much better buy than the dual core pentium everyone loves to suggest. 6 cores over 2 is better in my book even if those 2 cores are strong. dual core is dead to me and should not have any part in a conversation about "gaming" pc's. office pc sure, htpc why not, but gaming NEVER AGAIN!! this is just my opinion of course and folks WILL disagree but i think we are going to see a new generation of games that will neglect the dual core like a red headed step child.
 

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What is the performance difference from dual gtx970s and dual gtx980s on a couple 1440p monitors? I know both will do well but I'm wondering if "doubling" the 980 power will make that gap between it and the 970 bigger or if it's just not that worth it.
I know: 970 < 980 < 2SLI 970 <? 2SLI 980. Is that jump worth the price/heat/etc.?
Thanks again.
 

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i don't see any dual 1440p benchmarks, but single 1440p shows the 980's in sli producing 120+ fps on everything at the highest possible settings. 970's in sli seem to be around 100+ fps in most everything. in no way am i saying this is the norm across the board but some quick reading shows similar games at around 20-30 fps difference on a single 1440p on the low end and much higher on less gpu taxing games.

if you're considering this, search for some benchmarks and compare specific games you would be playing. i have no idea how it will translate to dual monitors vs 1 but at least single monitor numbers can be a good starting point.
 

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Okay guys I think I've got a mostly completed build. If you could look at each of the components and tell me what you think, I'd really appreciate it.

Here it is: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4gztsY
I am sticking with the CPU and GPUs. (Unless someone has really strong objections and supporting reasons for changing those)

My main concerns include:
1) RAM: One stick is CAS 9, the other CAS 7. Is dropping from 9 to 7 worth that extra $30?
2) Is the SSD big enough? I know that depends on my personal use but I'm wondering about in general, how big should an SSD be while taking into account what I'm doing with this PC.
3) Is that PSU big enough? I don't know what overclocking bumps power consumption up to but I can't imagine it would go over 850W.
4) Is there a better 1440p monitor out there for reasonable price? I'm finding that G-Sync is damn expensive so I may just forget about that.
5) I'm looking for a mechanical keyboard which is *quiet*. I know going brown switches is step one. I'm just wondering if there is any brand which makes particularly quiet keyboards.

Below is more like just side notes:
1) I want a video capture card. I may not get it now, perhaps sometime in the future. Can anyone steer me in a good direction for those?
2) I need an optical cable jack for a headset. I assume that means I need a sound card but, once again, I don't know what to go for there.
3) I know that Closed-Loop Liquid Cooler will do fine, but is there anything better than that?

TL;DR: Is there anything you would recommend I switch about this build. Is there anywhere I could shave off some cost?

Thanks for your guys' time.
 

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i adjusted the ram to a 4x 8gb kit which was a lot cheaper, cas 7 even. also adjusted the psu to a much better and cheaper one. and adjusted the mobo as well. you chose a z87 board which is the last version. for this money you should have the newest chipset :) it has a digital optical audio output so you should not need an extra sound card for the good headphones. saved a bit of cash for you but not much. you can save some with less ram if you want and go with 16 gb. you could also put some back by getting the newer maximus hero vii. great board but it is $200

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($316.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($322.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($151.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($338.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($338.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($114.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($127.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer K272HULbmiidp 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($349.99 @ Micro Center)
Keyboard: Logitech G710 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2619.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-29 11:26 EST-0500

unfortunately i am not the one to ask about monitors and water cooling. i have a 23" 60hx 1080p monitor that does me fine but then i'm not running dual 970's!!