Help with a higher end workstation build (multiple applications, non-gaming). Thanks!

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Hi all,

I was hoping for some help with my next computer build. Both my computer and I are getting old (I haven't built a machine in ~4-5 years) and it's time for a new build. I have fallen a bit behind the times though, and could really use some advice. I would ideally like to build the entire machine from scratch other than keyboard, mouse, and one 24'' acer HDMI monitor that I can probably keep using (would plan to buy a newer second 24'' monitor to use as my primary display)

Uses:

My main goal is to have a very efficient machine that boots rapidly and can handle heavy multitasking without lagging or being choppy. I use my machine both for personal use and for work applications. My specific needs are:

1.) I use my machine for research (statistical programs, databases, and excel, mostly), with some light graphical work (photoshop, some imaging programs related to my research)
2.) I multitask a lot. For example I will often have 20 browser tabs open, while watching video / streaming music and running excel and statistical programs on two separate monitors.
3.) I use my computer for home media and output it to a receiver and a projector. I would need the ability to run two 24'' monitors and a projector, and would prefer good audio support
4.) I occasionally use my computer for music production. This is just for fun (I am a fairly crappy musician) and I don't need high end equipment for this, but would like the ability to input and record a guitar + keyboard
5.) I don't plan to overclock and would like to avoid complicated cooling setups. I don't need an ultra-quiet machine, but it is near where I sleep and a quieter build is a plus. I don't need the machine to be super portable. A mid-size tower or similar would be fine. I am fine with either AMD/intel.
6.) I will probably run Windows 8 and upgrade to 10 when it comes out.

A couple specific questions:

1.) Do people recommend doing a RAID setup for data backup? Or should I just back up periodically to an external drive?
2.) I need at least 500 gb storage space and would prefer 1 tb. Should I try to buy one large SSD? Or should I have an expensive small SSD for my OS and a larger cheaper drive for music/movie/data storage?
3.) Would I benefit from a separate GPU given my needs? Or can the graphics on the motherboard handle most of what I need?

Budget: I don't have a set budget for the build, but including a new 24'' monitor would like to stay below $2000 (the lower the better, without sacrificing too much on performance).

I really appreciate any help or advice anyone can offer! Let me know if you need more information on my build plans. Thank you so much!
 
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rainman55414,

As a workstation that includes high density calculations, you might consider:

BambiBoom Mathamusicalcurific WalletJoyScream Turbosignature 9000 $$©& £℞™_1.24.15

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1241 v3 Haswell 3.5 / 3.9GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1150 80W Server Processor >$263 (Xeon E3 is hyperthreading)

http://ark.intel.com/products/80909/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1241-v3-8M-Cache-3_50-GHz?q=E3-1241%20v3
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=Intel+Xeon+E3-1241+v3+

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan > $40

Motherboard: Supermicro X10SAE-O LGA1150/ Intel C226/ DDR3/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&2GbE/ ATX Server Motherboard > $196

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X10SAE#

Memory...
A run of the mill PC will do all that.

Fast boot - SSD eg 250GB

Data drive - internal HDD eg 2TB

Back up - internal HDD eg 2TB

eg

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.60 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($75.65 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($75.65 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($337.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($429.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1716.50

Gaming - discrete GPU
 
rainman55414,

As a workstation that includes high density calculations, you might consider:

BambiBoom Mathamusicalcurific WalletJoyScream Turbosignature 9000 $$©& £℞™_1.24.15

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1241 v3 Haswell 3.5 / 3.9GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1150 80W Server Processor >$263 (Xeon E3 is hyperthreading)

http://ark.intel.com/products/80909/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1241-v3-8M-Cache-3_50-GHz?q=E3-1241%20v3
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=Intel+Xeon+E3-1241+v3+

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan > $40

Motherboard: Supermicro X10SAE-O LGA1150/ Intel C226/ DDR3/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&2GbE/ ATX Server Motherboard > $196

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X10SAE#

Memory: 16GB (2) Samsung DDR3-1600 8GB/1Gx72 ECC CL11 Server Memory > $180 ($90 ea)

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D38GRE160S

GPU: AMD FirePro W5100 100-505737 4GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Workstation Video Card > $350

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195133&cm_re=Firepro-_-14-195-133-_-Product

PSU: SeaSonic S12G S12G-550 550W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Active PFC Power Supply > $76.

Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) > $113 (Newegg)

Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive - OEM > $60

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) > $18

Case: LIAN LI PC-9NB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case > $100

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM > $138
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TOTAL = $1534.

The above list I think has some good points but could stand some refinements:

1. Select the RAM from the motherboard maker's approved vendors list of tested RAM

2. Check the dB ratings of various heatsink / fans and select on that basis. The 80W Xeon is not a cooling challenge anyway.

3. I like Seasonic power supplies, and about 550W is a good size, but verify the correct model- modular, efficiency rating, etc.

4. You may need a Blu-Ray burner or multiple optical drives.

5. I tend to like very plain, non-distracting cases and like Lian Li's but you may like something with more fizz. For sound reasons, avoid very open gaming cases with broad openings having multiple fans mounted on the outer front surface.. Good cooling but these can be noisy and it's difficult to judge the noise until it's assembled. If you look at proprietary workstation cases, they often have fewer, larger diameter fans at lower RPM, and mounted in shrouds away from the from panel. You might consider cases with less front fan presence and adding extracting small (90mm?) fan(s) on the back panel. You might even consider a case with a front case door and inlets around the perimeter.

In preference to software RAID, you might consider putting another drive of the same capacity in a Startech Aluminum enclosure that is ventilated and with a fan, and run incremental backups running the external drive only during backups. this isolates, makes the data portable, and the low hours on the drive mean it will be very reliable. I have a 9-year old Seagate 160GB- never missed a beat.

The AMD Firepro W5100 is a relatively new design and chosen for the Firepro enhanced calculation abilities plus workstation image quality drivers and good cost / performance. If you feel slightly adventurous, you might consider a careful Ebahhh purchase of a used W7000, but the W5100 is supposed to be very good.

If you're interested in a good music recording interface, I can recommend Sweetwater fro a good selection. I've made 100's of live and MIDI recording using M-Audio 2496 and 24 /192 PCI cards with lower end Cakewalk -Home Studio 2 XL- which is about 4 versions out of date. The 192 has a better S/N adn rate choices. I've had 5 M-Audio cards and they're no longer made, but they seem to work forever you can buy used ones around $30-70 or look into the new outboard USB versions. Having the useful MIDI I/O ( I have a Yamaha S90) and reasonably good sound quality- the specifications have been fine for me and it's a way to use that leftover PCI slot. The USB versions offer usually more inputs and outputs and control:

http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/computer-audio/audio_interfaces/

Besides MIDI I use a pair of Oktava MC012's on a Peavey VMP2 vacuum tube mic pre. into a dedicated sound recording system:

HP Elite M9426F (2007) Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz > 8GB DDR2 667 > AMD Radeon 6650 > Seagate 750GB > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit > Dell 17" LCD

> It seems to me that recording system do not need extremely high specifications, but the mics, mic pre, interface should be good.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420, Xeon E5-1620 (4-core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHZ) > 24GB DDR3 ECC 1600> Quadro K2200 (4GB), Intel 730 480GB / WD Black 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Windows 7 Professional 64 > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) < Passmark Rating: 4402

Dell Precision T5500 > Xeon X5680 ( 6-core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz), 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro 4000 (2GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > Windows 7 Professional 64 > HP 2711x (1920 X 1080) < Passmark Rating: 3340
 
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rainman55414

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What do you think of this build? You guys really helped me start looking, but I did end up deviating a bit from the above :)

CPU = Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core (290$ with mobo combo from newegg)
CPU Cooler = Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing (29$ outlet PC)
Thermal Compound = Arctic Cooling MX-2 4 (6$)
Motherboard = Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 (149$ in combo from newegg)
Memory = G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 (123$ newegg)
Storage = Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" SSD (230$ amazon)
Storage = Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM (76$ outlet PC
Video Card = MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V (350$ amazon)
Case= Lian-Li PC-9NB ATX Mid Tower (77$ newegg)
Power Supply = SeaSonic 550W ATX12V / EPS12V (80$ superbiiz)
Optical Drive = Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (14$)

The total cost is 1410$ and I will add a crossover korean monitor for like 350$ and will get windows 7 on the cheap through work, so my total cost is 1760$ or so. I can add a music interface later via USB (I will try the card I have for now).

What do you think? Maybe a bit overkill... but I want a machine I don't need to upgrade for ~4-5 years or so (that's how long I went with my last build)

Thanks !!
 

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Decided to go with the FirePro instead (as bambiboom suggested) to save a little money, but dropped it a bit to the V4900. I am not doing anything complex enough graphically to warrant the 5100 :) I ordered the above... I'm excited to pound it all together. Thanks again for your help
 


rainman55414,

In my view, your components list has very good choices, and the deciding to use a Firepro is suited to the calculation- statistical analysis, database side of your work. I have a Firepro V4900 in my 3rd system, a Dell Precision 390, and it elevated the Passmark 3D score with a Quadro FX 550 from 248 to 1350.

Not to throw a spanner into the works, but I'd mention an alternative that I think could offer an enhancement and be perhaps a bit more forward-looking. The idea is to have an LGA-2011-3 and X99 chip system basis. The thing is, LGA2011-3 CPU's have 69GB/s memory bandwidth to the 25.6 of LGA1150 and more cache, 40 PICe lanes instead of 28, use 64GB of DDR4 2133 native speed RAM (LGA1150 is 32GB of 1866), and most importantly, can use up to 18core / 36 thread CPU's. The X99 chipset has a very good performance and also allows M.2 Ultra SSD's which is rated at 10GB/s to SATA III 6GB/s As M.2 uses doubled PCIe lanes, that's another reason to use LGA2011 as is the a greater number of PCIe slots for sound card interfaces and effects cards. A lot are USB, but you'd have the ability to add them- and a hardware RAID controller. All in all, I think an LGA2011-3 system would have performance, expansion, and upgrade advantages that could extend your use of the system a couple of years longer- that's saves more than than the extra cost.

And, shifting to LGA-2011-3 need not be extremely expensive:

1. Intel Xeon E5-1620 v3 Quad-Core Haswell Processor 3.5 / 3.6GHz 0GT/s 10MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU > $290

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E51620V3BX

2. ASRock X99 Extreme3 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $175

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157542

3. Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) Crucial 8GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4-17000) Desktop Memory Model CT8G4DFD8213 > $200

As compared to your list, the above three items would add about +$110. If you keep systems 4-5 years- as I tend to do also- that's a bit more than +$20-25 per year and if you find you're doing large, multithreaded calculation / simulation tasks, you can change to a fast 8 or 10 core, add a RAID10, and there's the expansion possibliities for interface and effects cards and the system might last up to a couple of years longer.

On more item: As much as I like and admirer the cost /performance ratio of the Firepro V4900, you might look into a used W5000 (2GB). Since the W5100 was released, used W5000's are being sold for as little as $130-( a lot are $150-170) on Ebahhh. The W5000 would provide a definite step up, especially fro large files requiring double precision- like database and music files. It's a very good card. I've had a perfect reliability record with used workstation cards over the years, having had 8- used Quadros and the V4900. I have a 2001 Quadro FX580 that works perfectly after probably 15,000 hours.

Anyway, the direction for the proposed system seems very good.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

 

rainman55414

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Thanks Bambiboom! I ordered my parts already (I am a bit impulsive in general) but those sound like good suggestions.

I had looked into the X99 chip system and almost went with it, but ultimately I felt that it wasn't worth the high ram prices that they are charging currently for the DDR4 stuff. You're right though that it would have future-proofed my build a bit. I think I am already a bit overkill on what I need for my uses, so I imagine this machine will last me 4-5 years regardless, but you never know :) I will see how the V4900 works. I do only very light graphical work, so I think this will be okay for me, as long as it handles the 2560 x 1400 dual monitor setup without issues. I can always upgrade this in a year or two if I feel like I need more performance out of my GPU.

Thank you again for your time... you really helped me out! I'll let you know how the machine works when I get it all set up.
 

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Check out this setup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEpShzM7-k