I7 4790k with $10 discount or i5 4690k without

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Should i get an i7 4790k with a $10 discount or i5 4690k without s discount

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I do game although not always on pc (don't hate). I occasionallly do some video editing for like occasional school projects. I do use programs like adobe photoshop and flash and lots of random programs like that.
 
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I guess I'm still surprised by the people who automatically say 'i5 gaming' like that's all it can do when in many cases not only does it keep up with the i7 (even when both are oc'd) it often outperforms the fx8350 easily. Mentioning the 8350 since everyone claims it's for editing and encoding. I would expect more performance given the price of the i7's but all in all the i5's are quite capable at many things besides purely 'gaming'.

An i7 can have an edge in streaming, but many times it again depends on software and how people are using their systems. A lot of streaming/encoding can now be shifted to the gpu which is faster and more powerful when using a higher end gpu like most gamers are. No one asks if the person planning to...
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If you overclock the 4690k, you could pretty easy get it to the standards of the 4790k, The k series are good with overclocking so it is worth it if you can. Its really a bang for buck if you can go for the i7 which is better all round.
 
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I'd opt for the 4690k. It will still be a lot less than the i7 even with the $10 discount and the i7 doesn't show any real advantage in photoshop or gaming. Since your video editing is only occasional it would be more than sufficient. You might shave a few minutes off depending on the length of the video, what program you're using to edit it, etc going with an i7.

Here are some examples of where the two cpu's compare to one another to get an idea of performance.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2014/07/03/intel-core-i5-4690k-review/1
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/3
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4790k-i5-4690k_5.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4790k-i5-4690k_6.html#sect0
 
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Not always true. Many people use handbrake, in which case the i7 has no advantage.

3ds max rendering, i7 oc'd, 120s. i5 oc'd, 131s (and for whatever reason they chose not to oc the i5 as far as the i7 which it's capable of more than 4.4ghz).
photoshop rendering, i7 - 59.8s, i5 - 64.3s
premiere pro, i7 - 410.9s, i5 - 459.3s

A slight edge to the i7, but just by a few seconds in most cases. For a 50% price increase it's giving roughly 10-15% performance increase and not in all areas.
 
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I guess I'm still surprised by the people who automatically say 'i5 gaming' like that's all it can do when in many cases not only does it keep up with the i7 (even when both are oc'd) it often outperforms the fx8350 easily. Mentioning the 8350 since everyone claims it's for editing and encoding. I would expect more performance given the price of the i7's but all in all the i5's are quite capable at many things besides purely 'gaming'.

An i7 can have an edge in streaming, but many times it again depends on software and how people are using their systems. A lot of streaming/encoding can now be shifted to the gpu which is faster and more powerful when using a higher end gpu like most gamers are. No one asks if the person planning to stream has multiple hard drives set up to get around i/o conflicts and bottlenecking etc. There's no absolute one size fits all and lots of random generalizations or partial info floating around.
 
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True. I just think for the price the quad i7's could have brought more to the table than 2mb cache and ht. Ht wasn't a 'wow' factor years ago when it was introduced and it's still around the same 10-15% performance boost it was then. If the software is extremely optimized for it, it might bring 20% or so. In other cases it adds nothing. There are a handful of games where it offers higher frames, but not many. There are some games the i5 manages a few frames more than the i7. It can help schedule threads more efficiently, but at the base of it are the same 4 cores the i5's use. 4 cores can still only process 4 cores worth of workload which is evident in the benchmarks why the two are so close to one another. Whenever I see a noticeable difference between the 2, it's comparing them at stock speeds out of the box in which case sure - the i7 comes clocked 500mhz faster which explains the wider margins. Soon as they're both oc'd, that margin gets extremely narrow. Oc'ing may not be the only way to look at it, but in a sense why else compare two 'k' cpu's. The i5's come clocked lower and have higher oc headroom, the i7's come clocked higher and have lower oc headroom. I'm sure they're a bit better binned in the silicon department, but that only shows up as around 100mhz difference in oc top end variance.

Where i7's really shine in encoding, editing, transcoding etc in content creation is in the 6 and 8 core extreme editions, and then there's a lot more involved. Wider pcie lanes, higher memory bandwidth and larger supported ram quanitity, the addition of actual cores and the much larger 15-20mb cache. If someone is using serious programs that need the resources in a professional capacity, chances are they're using a professional workstation platform and rather than gaining a few minutes here or there are shaving hours off of their workload.
 
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Yeah, go for the i5, with the extra money you could get something more benefital than 'just' getting an i7. I have a i5-4690k too and would not see it being worth if the case was an upgrade. Go i5 and save your self some cash and get just about the same perforumance.
 
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