What is AGP 8X slot in my motherboard?

a cooperator · Jan 25, 2015

Hi,

My motherbaord has a discrete Nvidia Graphics card on PCI express interface. Also, there is AGP 8X slot empty, and I don't know what it is.
GeForce FX 5200 128MB RAM- DVI, VGA

I don't know what benefit of this AGP 8X in addition to Graphics card. There is no thing installled on this AGP solt. I only use Graphic Card.

Thus, is AGP 8X can be a phyiscal card like VGA card(GeForce FX 5200 128MB RAM- DVI, VGA)

I have booted to the BIOS, and in the Chipest Features Setup, I found The AGP aperture size. Thus, is this AGP aperture size in the BIOS realted to AGP 8X slot or Graphics card slot which is on PCI express slot.

I sometimes have tried lowering, other times increasing the AGP aperture size from 64MB to, 4MB, 8 MB, 16 MB, 32MB, 128MB, 256MB. However, that made no difference.

damric · Jan 25, 2015

This means you need a new computer.

emdea22 · Jan 25, 2015

damric :

This made me lol

emdea22 · Jan 25, 2015

PCI-e interface is newer than the VERY OLD AGP interface.

I don;t even remember if there were boards that had both PCI-e and AGP

To make the story short - you need a new computer.

photonboy · Jan 25, 2015

1) AGP is the slot used for video cards before we used PCIe (PCI Express).

2) You say there is a dedicated card using PCIe though I'd be surprised. I think it's more likely you mean "PCI" (PCI not PCIe).

3) Messing with the AGP aperture size does nothing if you didn't use the AGP slot. It's simply used as extra video memory for the AGP video card if you run out.
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/43

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

emdea22 :

Thank you all of you very much ineed,
I would insist on saying there is a AGP 8X, three PCI-e slots, and AMR slot. As this screen shots show you. I hope they'll be shown clearly to see them. Although I've never ever used it at all. And I only was used to using the VGA card which sometimes is onboard(integrated), some other times is discrete card..
Bear in mind, another Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A has a AGP 8X, four PCI-e slots.

No one answered me:
First: Can I find a AGP card in the market.
Second: can be used along with a VGA card.
Finally: I use VGA card to connect my monitor to my PC, however, which purpos can AGP be used for?

damric · Jan 26, 2015

1) Not new. You would be lucky to get an ebay model that still fucntions, and it wouldn't be worth it anyway.
2) Not sure what you are asking
3) AGP is legacy. There is no use for it now except museum display.

What is your budget? Certainly we can build you something 100x more worth your time.

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

photonboy :

Thanks a lot,
In another motherboard of mine, which is Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A, there is a discrete Graphics card(Navidia VGA card) installed on 'PCI-express'. Also, there is a AGP slot.
Expansion Slots on my GB motherboard are:

1.1 x AMR (Audio Modem Riser) slot
2.1 x AGP slot supports 4X mode and AGP 2.0 compliant
3.5 x PCI slots supports 33MHz and PCI 2.2 compliant
4.1 x 16-bit ISA slot

If AGP were the slot used for video cards before we used PCI-e (PCI Express), then why would my motherboard have had both PCI express slots on one of which a discrete VGA card can be installed, and AGP?

ex_bubblehead · Jan 26, 2015

a cooperator :

It doesn't have both. It has PCI, AGP, and an AMR slot. That motherboard predates the PCI-E slots by several years.

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

damric :

Thanks a lot, I was asking about 'AGP' card can be used in other functions other than the funcitons discrete/integrate Graphics card can be used for. Even in that ancient time, even if AGP became legacy, as long as my motherboard(GB) menitioned before had a discrete Nvidia Graphics card which was installed on a PCI-express, could I have installed a AGP card on AGP slot. So, they would be working without any confilct. If so, then what functions can each of them(VGA card, AGP card) perform?

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

ex_bubblehead :

You mean they build the PCI-E slots on the motherboard for only the future purposes, and the cards which can be installed on PCI-E slots have not yet invented. So, only AGP slot was only used for Video cards.
If so, then why they made PCI-E slots on a motherboard, however, there are not supported devices, cards which can be installd on those slots.
Moreover, if cards supported for PCI-e have not yet devised, then why would I've been using an audio card on a PCI-e from that time util now.

damric · Jan 26, 2015

What exactly are you trying to achieve here? Is there a purpose to your complaining about this AGP slot? I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just at a loss here as to how I can help you.

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

damric :

I would be trying to ask if I can use 'AGP' slot to perform a the fucntion VGA card can peform or not since my integrated VGA card on my motherbaord was defetive. My motherboard which is Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 doesn't have a discrete vga card. However, it has onboard vga. So, it seems that was defective, then how to use the AGP slot to install a a VGA card on it. And I plug my monitor to it.
This should be it so far.

chenw · Jan 26, 2015

Just double checked the specs on that motherboard, looking at Gigabyte's website of that exact motherboard, the motherboard definitely does NOT have the PCI-E slots

The PCI slots on your mobo are white, and the pins layout is that it has long set of pins on the left hand side and a short set of pins on the right, there are also no latches on the right hand side of the slot.

PCI-E slot (the tech we currently use) is a short set of pins on the left, long set on the right, and a catch on the right hand side:

This is what the PCI on your mobo looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI

This is what PCI-E we currently have looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#Form_factors

The GPU uses the x16 slots

Lastly, the CPU support list shows that it uses Coppermine CPU's with using socket 370, but that CPU only ran from 1999 to 2003, PCI-E was introduced only in 2004, so the PCI slots on your mobo is almost certainly PCI, not PCI express

Edit: To answer your question about AGP, the only way to solve your problem is to actually use an AGP video card, and such currently functioning video cards are aged at least 10 years old, it is extremely unlikely you will get your hands on one as second hand, let alone a new one. You will not be able to use current PCI-E GPUs with that computer at all as neither the CPU nor the motherboard have such capability.

bystander · Jan 26, 2015

a cooperator :

One thing that is getting very confusing is that you keep calling the slots in these pictures "PCI-e", and those are not PCI-e slots. Those are regular old fashioned PCI slots. It calls into question every post you are writing, and making it very difficult to help you.

bystander · Jan 26, 2015

Looking up the GeForce FX 5200, I can see now that you are mistaken. That is not a PCI-Express (PCI-e) card. These are PCI cards. They are much older. Older than AGP. As others have suggested, it is time to upgrade.

chenw · Jan 26, 2015

That particular GPU series has both FX and PCX lines. FX uses AGP, PCX uses PCI-E, which may also account for the confusion.

For the record, nVidia stopped supporting AGP at 8xxx series, which was released in 2006. 6xxx and 7xxx still had AGP X8 versions

emdea22 · Jan 26, 2015

Agp versions of the FX5200 and FX5500 can still be found new at some stores. If you're lucky you might even find a 6600gt AGP or a 7600gs agp second hand.

As other including myself have said - ANY money thrown into that "PC" is a waste. You can get a new 10x faster PC for the price of a new graphics card on that system - banana PI / raspberry pi etc. Even smartphones from 5 years ago are better than your old PC in terms of power and what they can do.

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

It seems that this thread and another one became similar. Thus,
I would anyohe to address these ponints of mine in either thread to close and mark these threads as solved

Thanks a lot,
First: what is written with these words below, what it means:
If you have seen my screen shot below well,

you will see that there are words saying
Dual Channel FSB1066 for external Graphics
FSB800 for internal Graphics.

Second: my Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has AGP 8X slot. Also, I have a Discrete Nvidia Graphics Card which is installed on a AGP 2x/4x mode & AGP 2.0 compliant slot on my Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A Rev. 1.x. That Navidia Graphics card works well. However, it is installed on a AGP slot on my Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A Rev. 1.x without any 8X. Thus, this Nvidia VGA Card can be installed on AGP 8X without any problems of compatiblitly??

Thirdly: My Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has integrated VGA card, and AGP 8X slot. Thus, If I used Integrated VGA card to connect a monitor, and used the AGP 8X slot to install antoher discrete VGA card (for instance, GeForce FX 5200 with 128MB of RAM(gf5200,128M)) to connect another monitor, then it would be OK.

Finally: You mean there are new discrete VGA cards to be installed on PCI-Express. If so, then you don't think that my PCI slots are PCI-express?

chenw · Jan 26, 2015

On second point: Specs on FX5200 states it is designed for AGP x8, I don't see any reason why it would not work in a AGP X8 slot.

On the final point: it is 100% NOT PCI-express, because your mobos (both Giga and Asrock) predate it (as in it is built earlier than PCI-E was actually released), and the slots on the images of your mobo definitely does not match PCI-E slot (PCI and PCI-E slot look VERY different, I linked Wikipedia's images for comparison, so not only they are technologically distinct, they are also visually distinct).

VGA cards are called GPU nowadays because they are effectively a computer within a computer, but the recent ones (dating as far as 2006) have all been built for PCI-E.

a cooperator · Jan 26, 2015

chenw :

Thanks a lot,
I just aks, and I don't yet try it. But sine it was installed on AGP 4X on another Gigabyte motherboard. So I don't if it can be working on AGP 8X?

Could you cofirm my other points::

First: what is written with these words below, what it means:
In my screen shot psted before, you will see that there are words saying
Dual Channel FSB1066 for external Graphics
FSB800 for internal Graphics.

Thirdly: My Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has integrated VGA card, and AGP 8X slot. Thus, If I used Integrated VGA card to connect a monitor, and used the AGP 8X slot to install another discrete VGA card (for instance, GeForce FX 5200 with 128MB of RAM(gf5200,128M)) to connect another monitor, then it would be OK.

bystander · Jan 26, 2015

First, in the original post of yours, you stated it was on the PCI-e slot (which doesn't exist), and not the AGP slot, which means it is likely the PCI version. I also looked up the part, and many of those are PCI:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130188
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-VCGFX52PPB-Geforce-FX5200-128MB/dp/B000098PUF

Anyways, you are best off starting over, but if you have to, get an AGP card. Even then, don't expect to play modern games.

What is AGP 8X slot in my motherboard?

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