[Workstation] Advice On Second Build w/ Custom Water Cooling

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MarcDHS

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Approximate Purchase Date: 3-6 Months - Really no rush right now.

Budget Range: I would like 3 separate options. One at or around 2k. One at or around 3k. One at 4k.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Workstation

Are you buying a monitor: Maybe

Parts to Upgrade: none, this will be a fresh second build

Water-cooling: Yes, been looking at kits, but would like a full parts likes for a full custom setup

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon Prime, Newegg. I am open to others. Florida, Fort Myers.

Parts Preferences: by brand or type: Intel

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Your Monitor Resolution: Full HD TV soon to be 4k TV

Additional Comments: I use AutoCad 2015, 3dsMax, and Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc. Would like to do a full custom water cooled system. I do like the Corsair 750D case but open to options on cases.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Time for a dedicated workstation and more of a investment in the long run.
 
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MarcDHS,

In my view, workstations are best when optimized for the largest project on the most demanding application. From you outline,, I'd assume that 3ds Max would be the most demanding application.

As you're using Autodesk and Adobe programs, a Quadro graphics card is suggested.

Given that current CPU's and GPU' s are using ever less power and heat output is correspondingly reduced, I feel that a custom liquid cooing system is not indicated and in fact may have distinct negatives in the form of unnecessary noise and potential fluid leaks.

Follows are four system ideas

SYSTEM 1: $2,000 >

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Demosthenest

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I don't see any need to get a custom watercooling loop. A noctua nhd15 should suffice for overclocking that cpu.

2k
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ncG9Bm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ncG9Bm/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($556.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($202.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($442.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($124.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1938.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-28 10:15 EST-0500
 
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Demosthenest

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2CZND3
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2CZND3/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($1005.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($202.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($442.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($124.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 4000 2GB Video Card ($608.25 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2796.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-28 10:27 EST-0500
 
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Demosthenest

Demosthenest

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kpQrLk
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kpQrLk/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2690 V3 2.6GHz 12-Core Processor ($2019.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($202.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($442.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($124.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 6000 6GB Video Card ($984.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $4186.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-28 10:30 EST-0500
 
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bambiboom

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MarcDHS,

In my view, workstations are best when optimized for the largest project on the most demanding application. From you outline,, I'd assume that 3ds Max would be the most demanding application.

As you're using Autodesk and Adobe programs, a Quadro graphics card is suggested.

Given that current CPU's and GPU' s are using ever less power and heat output is correspondingly reduced, I feel that a custom liquid cooing system is not indicated and in fact may have distinct negatives in the form of unnecessary noise and potential fluid leaks.

Follows are four system ideas

SYSTEM 1: $2,000 >

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1. Intel Xeon E5-1630 v3 Quad-Core Processor 3.7 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 10MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU, OEM > $380 (About £309)
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82764/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1630-v3-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz?q=e5-1630
____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E5-1630V3

2. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan For Intel LGA1366/1156/1155/1150/775 & AMD FM1/AM3+/AM3/AM2+/AM2 > $31. (£26.05 Scan.UK)

3. Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $240 (£188.39 Scan.UK))
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543&cm_re=asrock_x99_extreme_4-_-13-157-543-_-Product

4. Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM ECC DDR4 2133 (PC4-17000) Server Memory Model CT2K8G4RFS4213 > $244 (£152 Scan.UK)
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148839&cm_re=Crucial_16GB_%282_x_8GB%29_288-Pin_DDR4_SDRAM_ECC_DDR4_2133_%28PC4-17000%29_Server_Memory-_-20-148-839-_-Product

5. GPU: PNY VCQK2200-PB Quadro K2200 4GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Workstation Video Card > $459 (£378.26 Scan.UK)
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133559&cm_re=quadro_k2200-_-14-133-559-_-Product

6. Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) ) > $113 (OS, applications, working files) > $113. (£78.30 Scan.UK)
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820&cm_re=crucial_mx110-_-20-148-820-_-Product

7. Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive > $82 (£57.18 Scan UK) (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI CrossFire 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready> $130 £119.70 (Scan.UK)

9. Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

10. LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 >$170

10A . Corsair Obsidian 750D Large Tower Case Black with Side Window No PSU > £124.50 Scan UK)
____ http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-obsidian-750d-black-full-tower-case-aluminium-steel-with-side-window-3x140mm-fans-usb-30-e-a


11. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 > $138.99 (£119.70 Scan U.K)

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TOTAL = $ 2,008

SYSTEM 2: $3,000 >

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1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 v3 Six-Core Processor 3.5 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> $575
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E51650V3BX
____ http://www.amazon.com/XEON-E5-1650V3-6C-3-5G-15MB/dp/B00MU045JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411580728&sr=8-1&keywords=E5-1650+v3

2. CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan > $32.

3. Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $240
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543&cm_re=asrock_x99_extreme_4-_-13-157-543-_-Product

4. RAM: 32GB (4) Samsung DDR4-2133 8GB/1Gx72 ECC/REG CL15 Server Memory > $460 ($115 ea.)

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D4218G4S1

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 PCIe Graphics Card (VCQK4200-PB) > $822.
____ http://www.macmall.com/p/PNY-Video-Cards/product~DPNo~13248565~pdp.iigbbje?source=mwbgoogleshop&gclid=CjwKEAjw2f2hBRCdg76qqNXfkCsSJABYAycP_-AKV0I5UZVBtWrk8ltpCKFcaH__Twc558CuDVDMhBoC8B_w_wcB

6. Drive 1: Crucial MX100 CT512MX100SSD1 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) > $210
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148821&cm_re=crucial_mx110-_-20-148-821-_-Product

7. Drive 2: Western Digital Black 2 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive, Black, WD2003FZEX> $140 (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. PSU: SeaSonic X-850 ; SS-850KM3 ACTIVE PFC F3 850W 80 Plus Gold ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply > $146


9. Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

10. Case: LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75$179.99

11. Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 $138.99

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TOTAL = $ 2,962

SYSTEM 3: $4,000 >

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1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1660 v3 Eight-Core Haswell Processor 3.0GHz 0GT/s 20MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU, OEM > $1,070

____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82766/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1660-v3-20M-Cache-3_00-GHz
____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E5-1660V3

2. CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan > $32.

3. ASUS X99-E WS LGA2011-v3/ Intel X99/ DDR4/ 4-Way CrossFireX & 4-Way SLI/ SATA3&USB3.0/ M.2&SATA Express/ A&2GbE/ CEB Workstation Motherboard > $491

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X99E-WS

4. RAM: 32GB (4) Samsung DDR4-2133 8GB/1Gx72 ECC/REG CL15 Server Memory > $460 ($115 ea.)

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D4218G4S1

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 PCIe Graphics Card (VCQK4200-PB) > $822.
____ http://www.macmall.com/p/PNY-Video-Cards/product~DPNo~13248565~pdp.iigbbje?source=mwbgoogleshop&gclid=CjwKEAjw2f2hBRCdg76qqNXfkCsSJABYAycP_-AKV0I5UZVBtWrk8ltpCKFcaH__Twc558CuDVDMhBoC8B_w_wcB

6. Plextor M6e PX-G512M6e M.2 2280 512GB PCI-Express 2.0 x2 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) > $470
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G22K5889&cm_re=M.2%2bSSD-_-20-249-047-_-Product

7. Drive 2: Western Digital Black 2 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive, Black, WD2003FZEX> $140 (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. PSU: SeaSonic X-850 ; SS-850KM3 ACTIVE PFC F3 850W 80 Plus Gold ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply > $146

9. Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

10. Case: LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 $179.99

11. Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 $138.99

________________________________________________________

TOTAL = $ 3,968

SYSTEM 4: $5,000 >

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CPU: (2) Intel Xeon Processor E5-2637 v3 : 4-core @ 3.5 / 3.7 GHz, 15M Cache,135W > $2,000 ($1,000 ea)

http://ark.intel.com/products/83358
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=E5-2637+v3+

CPU Cooler: (2) Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler > $156 ($78 ea.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Supermicro X10DAi > $400

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C60...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: 32GB (4x 8GB) Samsung DDR4-2133 8GB/1Gx72 ECC/REG CL15 Server Memory > $456 ($114ea.)

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D4218G4S1

GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 DVI/2DisplayPorts PCI-Express Video Card > $829.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133558&cm_re=quadro_K4200-_-14-133-558-_-Product

Disk 1: Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)) > $113.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820&cm_re=crucial_mx100-_-20-148-820-_-Product

Disk 2 WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive > $74

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Disk: SAMSUNG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-224DB/RSBS > $20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM3 Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply> $150.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: LIAN LI PC-D8000 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case > $340

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Fan Controller: NZXT Sentry-2 5.25" Touch Screen Fan Controller > $23.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM > $139.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MSFQC08289
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TOTAL = $4765

As is apparent, the 4th system is a fair amount over $4,000. This is included as a demonstration of the cost of making the step to a dual processor- Xeon E5-2600 series CPU's are bloody expensive. As this also results in adding only two cores, I think it points to the much better cost /performance ratio achieved by the six core E5-1600 series system. The best value is the E5-1650 v3 system, the best performance and most forward-looking would be the 4th, dual Xeon system, and the best cost / performance choice would be System 3 due to the eight cores and the M.2 Ultra OS / Applications / working files drive. If your projects are very large and there's a lot of CPU-based rendering, I'd suggest System 3. If you spend more time using 2D CAD, image processing and 3D modeling, I'd go for the E5-1650 v3 system and possibly add an M.2 SSD. If you're doing extreme 3D modeling with very heavy textures, and/or plan to go into animation, System 3 with a Quadro K5200.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420, Xeon E5-1620 (4-core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHZ) > 24GB DDR3 ECC 1600> Quadro K2200 (4GB), Intel 730 480GB / WD Black 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Windows 7 Professional 64 > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) < Passmark Rating: 4402

Dell Precision T5500 > Xeon X5680 ( 6-core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz), 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro 4000 (2GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > Windows 7 Professional 64 > HP 2711x (1920 X 1080) < Passmark Rating: 3340
 
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