My first time building, tips before ordering my gpu in a few hours?

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My wife had this PC built by ibuypower back in late 2009, before we were even together and before I knew what little I do about PC gaming and components. I'm aiming to spend 200ish a week on parts until I'm finished, and I'm adding them as I go. Here are its specs:

-MSI H55m-P31 mobo
-Intel Core i3 530 OC @ 3.8GHz and can go higher no problem (loved this little trooper)
-Liquid cooling without a brand anywhere to be found, but did an EPIC job, keeping this i3 under 55C even at 4.4 GHz. 28C under load at stock. Wish I didn't have to part with it.
-9800GT 1GB Green Edition
-700W Xion PSU (more on this later, and what it is doing in this system with a 9800GT GE is beyond me, lol)
-4GB Corsair Dominator ddr3 1333
-Standard 500GB Hard Drive
-1600x900 HP s2021 Monitor
-Mid-sized case, way too big for this micro ATX mobo.

So, the story up to this point. We wanted to play Dragon Age Inquisition. I knew it was "possible" with this setup, but the experience would be terrible. Tried it anyway, and was surprised to get 20-30 fps on low-mid settings. My first thought was, "upgrade the gpu! We have enough power in this machine for a decent card!" So I look this PSU up and find hardly anything on the Brand "Xion." What I did find was that it's supposedly crap, and others swore by it, but it's held up for nearly 6 years with NO issues for me. However, it's never had to power a GPU at all, those 6 pin adapters have never been used lol. I'm going to go ahead and try a new card on it and see what happens, just to save a bit of money until my plans are complete, then replace it. If it dies, I'm replacing everything anyway. Hopefully it doesn't explode.

That said, I've been looking at an asus strix gtx 960 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121913

I'll be gaming at 900p, I THINK 2GB of vram will be enough (everyone says different things, but most say 2GB vram is great for 1080p gaming), but I wonder about games like Far Cry 4. If I just have to turn off MSAA and/or FXAA, I can easily deal. I plan on plopping this baby in my machine by Sunday, even though the i3 will most likely bottleneck it to hell and back. Also, this card fit my budget. I'm aiming to spend 200ish a week on parts until I'm finished.

For the next upgrade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

I'm not great with shopping for RAM, honestly, so if there's something better without going over 80 bucks, remember, this entire "build" is open to suggestions.

Now, my final upgrade WAS going to be this bundle: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2141274

After looking up that cpu, I think I'd like to try something else, even if I have to save up a bit more. This seemed like a better deal http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

Again, I'm 100% open to suggestions. If this PSU holds up throughout all this, I'll replace it anyway. I honestly think it'll be fine, though. I may just wait and see what I get with the i3, 8gb RAM, and the 960 installed and buy the new PSU before installing the new mobo and cpu. I wanted to go Intel, but couldn't find an i5 priced nicely enough.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to be as thorough as possible.
 
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The Strix 960 would be a good choice for gaming at 900p, especially if you're budget limited. Honestly though, if you want to be able to run max on pretty much any title, with only a 900p resolution, I'd save for another week and go with the GTX 970 or the R9 290.

The 960 is putting up pretty fair numbers right now, on current titles, but if I was purchasing a brand new card I'd want to be sure it was going to play nice on titles down the road that might want a fair share more resources than some current cards offer, at least for max settings. If you're happy with some settings turned off, which might not even be necessary for a lot of titles at that resolution, then that would be a good choice. If I was going with a 960 I'd probably...
The Strix 960 would be a good choice for gaming at 900p, especially if you're budget limited. Honestly though, if you want to be able to run max on pretty much any title, with only a 900p resolution, I'd save for another week and go with the GTX 970 or the R9 290.

The 960 is putting up pretty fair numbers right now, on current titles, but if I was purchasing a brand new card I'd want to be sure it was going to play nice on titles down the road that might want a fair share more resources than some current cards offer, at least for max settings. If you're happy with some settings turned off, which might not even be necessary for a lot of titles at that resolution, then that would be a good choice. If I was going with a 960 I'd probably go with that one over the G1 gaming simply because it has similar performance but is quieter.
 
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eanes87

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Well, something I left out, is that on down the road, I DO plan on getting a 1080p monitor. I've seen the results for many demanding games with the asus strix 960, and it does well at high-ultra with msaa off at 1080p. I'm hoping Inquisition will be playable at medium-high settings, at least going no lower than 30fps, with just the 960 installed this weekend.

I really just need all of this to hold me over for about a year. Getting ready to get hired full time with Kelloggs (I make poptarts, woohoo), and my pay will be doubling. Late this year or early next, after I get my "grown up plans" knocked out of the way, I plan on breaking the bank on a truly amazing pc :).
 
It will get you by. If you plan to game on 1080 I would go bigger though. The benchmarks you see and the segments of gameplay showing those as average frame rates don't do justice to the up and down of your frame rates that makes it a nightmare. However, if you get one 960 now and add a second one later, some of the benchmarks I've seen, keeping in mind that the card is pretty new and really not much extensive testing has been done yet, have shown the card getting similar performance as a single GTX 980 at 1080.

That certainly won't be true in every case or for every title, but it gives you an idea of future capability if you decided to do that.
 

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I was getting ready to say that after I get the PSU, I could easily drop 200 bucks at some point and add another 960 if my 1080p gaming isn't up to par. Some people say it's dumb, when you can get a 970 for 60 bucks cheaper total, but it's all depends on the situation. For me, I'd be happy doing that.

Thanks for your input, I'm gonna go ahead and order the 960 now. As for my choice of CPU (fx 8350 black edition), it's showing over the recommended line on Game Debate for Inquisition and FC4, and is relatively cheap for its performance. In your personal opinion, for a "budget build," should it get me by? I'm new to AMD processors, couldn't resist their prices.
 
I wouldn't go with the 8350. I'd invest a bit more and go with this. In essence it's the same chip as the i7, but can't be overclocked and has not integrated graphics which you don't need anyhow with a discreet card. Four cores with hyperthreading, so eight threads, has similar gaming performance as the i5 and i7, which blows doors on any of the AMD chips, and has much stronger single core performance.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1241 V3 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($264.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $402.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Of course, the 8350 with a budget overclocking board, taken to about 4.5Ghz is a decent gaming chip too, for the price, but I'm not certain it's that much, if any, better than your i3 for gaming except in heavily threaded games and applications. If you're going to spend the money to upgrade from what you have, save the extra money and go with one of the E3 V3 Xeons, the i5 4690k or the i7 and a Z97 motherboard since the H97's don't support SLI configurations.