Is this a good Budget Gaming build ($450)?

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Hi,

Im going to be looking to play games like Watch Dogs, Battlefield 3 and 4, , Far cry 3 and 4, Theif, Counter strike GO, Skyrim, etc. at Medium to high settings. With this build, will I be able to get at least 45 FPS at these settings?


CPU: Intel Haswell i5- 4460

GPU: Sapphire AMD R7 260x 2GB

RAM: 8GB 1333mhz

Motherboard: ASUS B85M-E/CSM

Case: Rosewill Blackbone ATX mid- tower

HDD: My own Seagate 1 TB Drive ( 7200 or 10k RPM)

PSU: Rosewill 450w Power Supply- Model: PS-450w (X-power)

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OS: Windows 7 64 bit



Thanks!
 
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For most games, I'd put them at i3 > FX > 860K > Phenom II. The AMD chips will almost certainly need to be overclocked as well to get the most out of them, which also means an additional $25-$35 (minimum) for an aftermarket cooler. The locked i3 won't need an aftermarket cooler, and the Pentium G3258 comes with a good enough cooler for overclocking at least to 4.0 GHz.
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Yeah, I was planning on doing a FX-6300 build or a FX- 8320 build, but the internet people told me to go Intel i3 or i5....What do you think?

 
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I'd get an i3 before choosing an AMD FX. I've got a FX-8320 in one of my rigs, and even PvZ will lag if I haven't used it in a while and my BTC wallet is catching up (apparently uses all threads). Sad, right? To be fair, it otherwise runs well.
 
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Honestly, I'd rather get the better CPU now, and save up later for a better GPU. Worse case intel has the intel hd graphics which are no where near fantastic will get you by until a proper GPU is bought.
 
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So, to clarify, FX or i3? Thanks!

 
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The cheapest AM3+ motherboards are not suitable for 8-core FX CPUs due to weak VRMs, so you'd need to spend more money on a better board. If you're not interested in overclocking, even a H81 board with an i3 on it will do well. If you do want to overclock, the dual cores will limit you in some games (they may actually be unplayable, or require hacks to work), but you could start with a G3258 on a low-end Z97 board. Some H81 (and H97?) boards can overclock that Pentium too, but I don't know that they can OC a "K" series CPU.
I too would rather start with a R7 260 or GTX750 in order to get a more competent CPU for the long haul, but no lower; not if gaming is the goal.
 
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I would go the i3 route

 
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For most games, I'd put them at i3 > FX > 860K > Phenom II. The AMD chips will almost certainly need to be overclocked as well to get the most out of them, which also means an additional $25-$35 (minimum) for an aftermarket cooler. The locked i3 won't need an aftermarket cooler, and the Pentium G3258 comes with a good enough cooler for overclocking at least to 4.0 GHz.
 
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Alrighty, I think I will go the Intel route- I may start with a i3, or be my budget to a i5 (to obviously get better performance). Will a Overclocked pentium do better then an i3?


 
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Should i try to save up $60 for a i5, or should i just start off with the i3. Also is the 4130 much different then the 4330?

 
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If it takes a week, I'd probably wait. If it takes a month, I'd probably "settle" for the i3, knowing that no game "sucks" on an i3; given that various settings can be tweaked, you might not see much difference at all except in a very few titles.
 
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The newer i3s are stronger than people give them credit for. There is little difference between the 4130 and 4330. Mainly the igpu and l3 cache. The i3 41xx are usually much cheaper than the 43xx so they are usually the better choice. The price difference between the i3 41xx and the cheapest i5s are usually $70-75
 
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do you plan on replacing the r7-260x sometime in the near future? if yes and your looking at possibly getting a gtx970 or similar graphics card in about 6-9 months for $250, then the i5 would be worth it.

otherwise, if your not likely to upgrade, just get any basic i3 and whatever graphics card you can fit into your budget after that.

your 430w rosewill power supply is first thing you would need to upgrade though. low end rosewill power supplies are not the best unless they are a capstone model. also it very likely only has a single 6 pin pcie connector so you would be limited on choices of graphics card that dont have two 6 pins power connectors.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($104.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $247.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-20 15:06 EST-0500
 
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Would there be any difference between the 4130, 4150, and 4160? Their all the same price wise. Also, what would be the best graphics card for $150- I thought about getting the R7 260x, but is the R7 265 better? What about Nvidia?

 
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I didn't comment on the Rosewill PSU thinking it was probably the "RG" line. This is not a bad PSU, and should be sufficient for a modest system (such as one with the R7 260X). I'd take it over a Corsair "CX" any day. While not a premium unit, unlike the "CX" I've not read lots of commentary about them croaking early due to inferior capacitors. If you plan on a GTX970 or R9 280 or above, you'd probably need to replace it though. I'd look for 500W-550W from Seasonic (their own, XFX, EVGA GS, some Antec) or Super Flower (Rosewill Capstone, Kingwin Lazer, or EVGA G2 and B2).
 
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you will never notice the difference between any 41xx cpu. they just have difference clocks like 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, which are miniscule differences you will never feel. i think the 4160 costs $112 or something like that. so if you want to spend an extra $6-7 for a barely faster cpu then its all good. but i would save every last dollar you can and put that toward a better graphics card.

in the $150 price range you can get an r9-270

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270 2GB DirectCU II Video Card ($145.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $145.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-20 15:26 EST-0500

but that card will require two pcie power pins which im not sure your power supply has.

what exact model is your rosewill power supply?
 
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There will be a few hundred MHz clock difference. If the price is the same, get the fastest one, since these chips are locked.
For around $150, look for deals. That's close to MSRP on the GTX750Ti or R7 260X, but I've seen those cards for less (sometimes a rebate is involved though, which is a game you may not win). The R7 265 is a little stronger, but now you're getting into niggling territory. I'd rather leave $20-$30 in your budget for some forgotten item, like a surge protector, desk lamp, desk tray, or some other non-obvious thing you'll wish you had. I'm leery of open-box items (who knows why they were returned), but refurbished cards have supposedly been retested to meet factory specs. Last generation's HD7870 is now called R9 270X, and may be around that price.

 
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