Beware Dell warranty

ceh

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I bought a new Dell laptop, Inspiron 17R (5737), Windows® 7 Professional, 64Bit in late May, 2014.

Right at 1st of the year, it started locking up and getting BSODs.

I ran diagnostics, ran 3 different virus scans that didn’t find anything.

I called Dell customer service for the first of many times mid-January. My computer was 7 months old, still well within warranty period.

Generally on every call, the wait just to get to a CS representative was 15 to 20 minutes of my time, going through the robo operator, the staging representative and transfer to a CS department. Several disconnects. Despite asking for a phone number during each call, no one ever called back after a disconnect. I had to start over and put in another 20 minutes to get through to someone. The time commitment involved to deal with Dell is staggering.

I answered the same intro questions at each stage on each call. Despite having an Express Service tag, every time I called I had to start at the very beginning to reach someone who knew nothing about the situation.

Got multiple useless apologies from sincere sounding reps, concerned about improving their service.

I also tried responding to the multiple emails I received from numerous different CS people. Absolutely no knowledge of the situation reflected, just a series of corporate platitudes, seemed designed to just spread my energy further without achieving anything meaningful. Completely useless.

I went through Dell F12 diagnostics with CS that found no hardware problem. They referred me to their software CS, which would have cost me $80 or $90. Instead, I took my computer to a local reputable shop, who investigated the software and found no problems, but did experience lockups and BSODs. Told me to call Dell for a probable hardware problem, since virus and software problems were ruled out.

Dell insisted it was not a hardware problem, that it was a software problem, despite there being no evidence that it was. They leaned heavily toward the problems they weren’t responsible for, no surprise.

Dell advised me to reinstall my operating system and sent me disks to reinstall.

Instead, I took it to a second computer repair guy who looked at the hardware. He quickly found the hard drive was overheating severely, half the memory wasn’t seated properly, and the CD drive worked intermittently. He hooked the CD to another machine and it worked fine.

Called Dell back. CS admitted their diagnostics were “limited”. No kidding. This after a month of CS interaction.

Dell shipped me a box to send my computer in for repair. Another 7-10 days once they get it. They said they’d go over it thoroughly and it would come back “new”. I asked how this wasn’t giving me a refurbished computer when I’d paid for a new one less than a year ago. No satisfactory answer, just happy mouth noises.

Sent off the computer and got it back. The first day I set up my computer with software, got a BSOD and it locked up twice.

So, I’m looking forward to more useless interactions with CS.

Honestly, I’m thinking of walking away from $800 I paid for this piece of junk just to get away from Dell. I’ve lost easily that much of my time and productivity in the last month and a half, now looking at two months. While under warranty, which turns out to be useless.

Hope this helps someone else steer clear. I will certainly never buy a Dell product again.
 
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Hold on for a bit... you said after you received your computer from Dell you installed your software and received the crashes afterwards... so I have to ask... is it possible the software you installed was the root of your problems? What software did you install? Do you remember what you installed right before you started having problems? It sound to me like you might have installed a bad driver that caused your crashes.... and most computer problems really are caused by software.

SBMfromLA

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Hold on for a bit... you said after you received your computer from Dell you installed your software and received the crashes afterwards... so I have to ask... is it possible the software you installed was the root of your problems? What software did you install? Do you remember what you installed right before you started having problems? It sound to me like you might have installed a bad driver that caused your crashes.... and most computer problems really are caused by software.
 
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Can you provide the windows error code for the blue-screen? What were you doing at the time it blue-screened?

I have a total opposite perspective of Dell to you, and i would hate to think people read this and have the same thoughts as you. To be honest, i have heard brand bashing like this for every major laptop manufacturer at one time or another. Sometimes its just a busy day for service and things take longer. If they cant produce the fault you had, they may not have fixed your issue, particularly if you could not give details as to what specifically you were doing at the time of the bsod. Sometimes there is just no easy answer if it's an intermittant fault. Im sure if your reasonable and call them up and portray your frustration to them they will be willing to help you out and have the laptop looked at again.

The company i work for uses Dell exclusively for laptops, desktops and within the machines we sell, and we have no real complaints or major issues with the hardware. I have once had to call Dell for a possible hardware failure and they helped me step through some processes and ended up running a windows repair from a disk that solved it. I was speaking to someone within 3 minutes of calling, i was very happy with their service. The service desk operator also called me back the following day to ensure all was well and emailed me with the reference number and call closure details. I recommend Dell highly to everyone.

What region are you from? i am from Australia, perhaps their support in your region is not as good?
 

ceh

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ceh

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Hello--Did you read the parts where software wasn't the problem> I had this checked by two reputable professionals. No evidence of software problems were detected. What was detected were major hardware problems that Dell's self-admittedly "limited" diagnostics failed to detect and have failed to address through their "repair" process. Meanwhile, I've got an $800 piece of junk that's no better and no credible response from Dell. Happy for you that you fall in the most problems category. I'm not that lucky and Dell is no help.
 

ceh

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ceh

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Brand-bashing? Honestly? Do you think I have time for that? Just a busy day? I've been going through this for going on two months. Which day would you pick? I've never had less than 15-20 minutes per phone call no matter what day. And no satisfaction on any call even after investing that kind of time. Never had anyone knowledgeable about my issue no matter how long it's gone on. No useful response from Dell ever.

Two professionals have had access to details of crashes. So has Dell. With no result except empty apologies. I'm glad for you that whatever company you work for is big enough to garner Dell's attention. I'm not that lucky, being just a small business owner in the US. I had a Dell in the past that I really liked. My advice now is stay away..
 

Rit_86

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I have to agree with ceh. However, I must also admit, this is not a problem with Dell alone, but most laptop manufacturers. They have incapable personnel sitting at their CS and service centers and their diagnostic capabilities are extremely poor. I have had the same experience with Dell, Lenovo, HP, Asus and Toshiba. Many of my friends come to me for repairing and while it is mostly an easy fix if it is outside warranty (I just correct the software error or replace the faulty part), if it is within warranty, it is a nightmare to talk to the technicians or CS with anything technical. Let me share such an experience. I came across an Asus X54 which had some malfunctioning keys. I had another similar model, so I simply replaced the keyboard and the laptop was working fine. But, as it was under warranty, my friend wanted to repair it. So, after the usual cycle, they picked it up and after 38 days, their response was, it is a faulty mobo and they think it is the customer's fault as according to their diagnostics, it was a voltage issue and the repair would cost 70% of the price of the laptop. Knowing the true matter, I (after a long procedure), reached a hotshot of their regional HQ and threatened him with legal action. Then I demanded them to show where the fault lies. The guy was shaken and allowed me to go to their service center. There, I told them to show me the fault with the mobo and when they couldn't find any, the blame game started. i told them to replace the keyboard and the laptop obviously worked fine. I called the hotshot again and blasted him and since the whole procedure took 2 months, demanded compensation. He ultimately agreed to provide a new slightly better specced laptop to which I agreed.
I have seen similar incidents with nearly all major brands of laptop.
Long story short, in future, if the company is not able to solve your problem, get it checked out by someone experienced. After he diagnoses the problem, go back to the company again and stick to your demands to get the faulty parts checked in front of them (take the experienced guy with you if possible). If still they refuse to do it, make them write down their diagnosis in their official letter and threaten with legal consequences if their diagnosis is wrong. Till now, it has worked like a charm every time.
 

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Forgive me for saying this... but from what you wrote... I still still it was a software problem. You said you took it to a repair person... I'm a computer tech myself and from my experience.. lots of computer repair people are like auto mechanics and say false things about your computer and come up with made-up problems..

You also said Dell recommended that you reinstall Windows... but you refused to do that... right?

You also said the repair person said the memory wasn't seated correctly.. if that was the case.. then it wouldn't work or show up in Windows.

I'm not trying to defend Dell or anything... but I just think it was something you installed that caused the problem. Why not try reinstalling Windows again... and this time... do NOT install your software.. just use it for a few days first to test the stability.
 

SBMfromLA

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Unfortunately... there are a couple of problems with your solution... a service center is not always close by and some times you have to go out of state.. and the part about having it checked out by someone experienced... that's a great idea.. provided you personally know that person. However, there aren't many service shops around anymore that will diagnose or troubleshoot your computer problem for free... usually there is a fee required that is subtracted if you allow them to do the work there...
 

Rit_86

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Yes, I do agree with you.
That is why I tell people to go berserk with their laptop / PC while it is still under warranty and to learn from the problems as much as possible. It is the best way to ensure you will be armed the next time it goes wrong.
Also to ceh, this forum itself is a great learning platform and most of the time we can at least identify your problem, so armed with it, you can go for the repair.
Anyway, as suggested above, if you can provide us with the details of your problem, we can try to pin point the problem for you.
 

ceh

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Hello--Taken a breath now. So, when I sent the computer for repair, the OS was reinstalled and all my data wiped. Dell sent it to my second computer guy who did play around with it to check it out before returning it to me.

I downloaded OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, AVG, LastPass, Beyond Compare, Pdf995, Adobe Reader, FlashPlayer & Shockwave, Malwarebytes, & MyCloud SW from the web, using developer websites when possible. I also loaded Quickbooks 2004 from disk I have (still does math). Didn't even get to set up my Canon printer before crash & lockup. Also, hadn't imported email or photos, docs, videos, bookmarks, financial files, etc.

Memory seated a bit off. Didn't show up sometimes. Personally, I didn't notice memory problem but I didn't have that much on the computer.

I trust my computer guy. Took me a while to find him. I'm just savvy enough to know when things don't make sense or are overstated.

(Also puzzled how I'm supposed to use my computer without installing software for necessary tasks. Some not essential, but others are.)

Had several things going on when it crashed, looking at email on Comcast page, financial software open, mapped MyCloud drive open, webpages loading on Firefox.

Error was Iastor.sys related. Saw that part. Probably IRQL not less equal like most previous events. Went by fast and I've given laptop back to computer guy.

Thx for consideration of this.
 

McHenryB

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On the Intuit website they state that they do not recommend running QuickBooks 2007 or earlier on Windows 7. That could be the root cause of your problem, particularly as you say you had the financial software open when the computer crashed.

I agree with others here - it sounds like a software problem. If so, you can't really blame Dell for not being able to trace the problem, particularly if you are running software that the publisher says you shouldn't run on Windows 7.