Need some advice - return 970 GTX SLI for 980 or AMD R9 295? 4K gaming

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Hi everyone

I've read up so much on this lately my head is spinning so I could really use others opinions.

Before Christmas I upgraded my system (Intel 3770K, 32GB) with two Nvidia GTX 970s in SLI.

I specifically wanted the power of a 970 for two reasons:
4K gaming
Intensive video use in applications such as Adobe Premiere (not so much the SLI but the general GPU grunt)

I knew that the 970s wouldn't run at 4K at 60fps+ but I hoped for some decent results.

I did get some decent results, I also got a lot of slowdown, dips into 20fps range or lower, when playing Far Cry 4, Sniper Elite 3 etc. Even the original Crysis can cripple them at full 4K with everything at max.

I've read about the 3.5GB+ memory problems and I've also read a lot of people saying that for 97% of people it's not an issue as they are gaming at 1080p.

Well I think I'm in the 3% range, I use 4K all day for work so it makes sense to use it for gaming as well and I think I'm being hobbled by this memory issue.

What to do?

Thankfully I am able to return them until the end of the month for a full refund or exchange for something new so I am starting again with my GPU requirements, but I don't have long to do it in.

Should I keep them for a performance vs price reason...but then I suppose I can't game at 4K and as newer games come out the problems will only get worse.

Or

Do I send them back and go for a 980? I can get one with money to spare but buying another one is very much a stretch though the performance graphs I have seen look very good.

Or

Do I look at the AMD R9 295? It's only £70 more than the cards I have bought now and the performance benchmarks on most things seem to be up with 980SLI for a much cheaper price.

I have read a lot of people criticising it though and saying that though it has 8GB of memory, the amount of memory isn't as good or fed as quickly as it should be so it's a meaningless number.

Or

Do I send the cards back, make use of my old GTX 570 and see what new cards come out? But I have no idea when that will be and in the meantime I'm crippled with a slow card.


Sorry...big post...any suggestions would be most welcomed!

Thanks.

tl;dr - problems at 4K with 970SLI x2. Return them? Get a 980? Get a R9 295? Return them and wait for next generation of cards?
 
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For most high end games a single 980 won't cut it at 4k. The 295X2 will run most high end games fairly well. The next generation of AMD cards is due out in Q2 or early Q3 probably April. The next gen for Nvidia isn't due until 2016. If you have the patience it might be beneficial to wait for AMDs next generation though it's anyone's guess on the exact release date. Also running the system on a 570 for 2+ months might not be so hot. If you trade the cards in now I would get the 295X2. Also while gaming if you can handle it you could turn off anti-aliasing. The difference is not so bad but still noticeable, however it can gain quite a bit of performance in some games.

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For most high end games a single 980 won't cut it at 4k. The 295X2 will run most high end games fairly well. The next generation of AMD cards is due out in Q2 or early Q3 probably April. The next gen for Nvidia isn't due until 2016. If you have the patience it might be beneficial to wait for AMDs next generation though it's anyone's guess on the exact release date. Also running the system on a 570 for 2+ months might not be so hot. If you trade the cards in now I would get the 295X2. Also while gaming if you can handle it you could turn off anti-aliasing. The difference is not so bad but still noticeable, however it can gain quite a bit of performance in some games.
 
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I agree with the guy above, I would say get a 295x2 for now then if you can, sell it later and get 2x 390x and you should be good at 4k 60 fps. Just make sure you have a high quality PSU with enough power, or you may experience some issues. At 4k, AA is completely useless, so never even bother with that, it is only necessary for lower resolutions.
 

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Thank you both for your replies, that's really helpful.

Yes, from what I've been reading and the benchmarks I've been looking at the 295x2 seems to give 980SLI a run for it's money, virtually always keeping pace or occasionally beating it, quite amazing considering the price difference.

Irritating to think that they may have a new product out in a couple of months...who's to say that won't be much more expensive though, especially with the price of that card now if it's end of life.

Good to know that Nvidia don't have anything new planned for a while, that narrows down the decisions.

I always have AA turned off now, it's just not needed, quite amazing really. The PSU is an EVGA Supernova G2 1000W Gold rated, so no problems with PSU quality of supply of juice!

Do you think an AMD 295x2 would get me near the hallowed 60fps at full 4K? And is it having 8GB of VRAM a gimmick or actually useful? I've read a bit about it with Shadows of Mordor...is that the only game that can use more than 4GB VRAM at the moment or am I misunderstanding something?


Thanks, I think I'm getting nearer a decision!
 

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The 295x2 only has a max of 4GB of usable VRAM, so that was just advertising just like the Titan Z. I haven't tried that game yet, so I don't know how it will run with the 295x2, I heard of crashes and freezes, so I'm not exactly interested, plus I'm not a Lord of the Rings fan. As far as I know, that is the only game that uses more than 4GB of VRAM other than maybe modded Skyrim or something.

Edit: and yes, you will get 60 fps in some/most of the intensive games, and most likely constant 60 fps for nearly all of the older games like Mass Effect 3, Fable Anniversary, Skyrim. The only game that I needed CFX for was Crysis 3, that's the only game I know of that truly utilize the needs of CFX to reach 60 fps, for BF4 I don't exactly need CFX. I mean what am I going to do with all the extra fps, no point of getting over 100 fps if I'm limited to 60Hz of refresh rate, I'll just get tearings, so I only use a single 290x for all of my games at the moment, which is 1/4 of my GPUs.
 

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For most games the 295x2 will be able to at 60fps. For the top end games though it's still not possible to run them at 60fps. If you do wait for the release of the next gen of AMD cards it could be possible to pick up the 295x2 at a cheaper price.
 

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Thanks again for your answers!

I've been looking around and found an interesting benchmark on Tweaktown showing the difference between a 295x2 and x2 290 in CFX (http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/72/gtx-980-sli-vs-r9-290x-8gb-cf-295x2-amd-fx-9590-8k/index.html) and it seems that x2 cards can be a better solution for around the same price, but the power requirements I'm guessing will be astronomical, the 290x needs a 600W PSU on it's own.

The other main thing I note at 4K resolutions none of the benchmarks, whether it be AMD or Nvidia are even reaching 30fps...it's pointless looking at which graph is longer than the other if none of them can manage an even halfway decent frame rate. Though they do have AA enabled, which skews the results for me as I wouldn't have that on...does anyone have some good benchmarks showing 4K without AA enabled?

As the current top generation is struggling I am wondering if I should be waiting to see what AMD brings out next...I've always used Nvidia cards (since Geforce 2!) so I'm not up to date on what AMD is currently up to.

Has there been any definite answers on what's coming next, how powerful it will be and as important, how much it will cost? If it's twice the power but costs twice the price then it'll be out of my reach anyway and I'll be back to square one!


Thanks.
 

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The next GPU coming out is the 390x for AMD, around April and latest of June I think, and my guess is the card will be around $600 since AMD is not as money hungry as Nvidia. No one knows the specs except for it will use less power than current AMD cards and it'll have more VRAM for higher resolutions. The different fps will depend on the game, I get around 45 fps in FC4 (35-60) because it is more Nvidia optimized. On the other hand, I get like up to 110 fps with BF4 and Dragon Age: Inquisition and all of them are at 4k ultra settings and I only use 1 out of 4 of my 290x's.
 
These are the specs for the 390x(speculated):
4GB of VRAM
HBM memory(faster than GDDR5)
640GB/s of memory bandwidth(twice that of the 290x)
Around 200W of power consumption
256 GT/s texture fillrate
128 GP/s pixel fillrate

Though these specs look out-of-the-world now, I'd really like to see how the card actually fares in games.
 

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Thank you both for your replies again.

Isn't it difficult with a new card, there just isn't the information available about it, just lots of people frothing at the mouth speculating and clogging up search engine results!

I think the most sensible course of action will be to return the GTX 970s, pop in the old 570 and wait and see what happens.

I know I'm reaching the limit of the 970s as it is at 4K and now the memory problem has emerged it does explain a few things. Games etc., will get more powerful but those cards won't...as we are at the end of a product cycle it makes sense to start with a new product cycle as long as they aren't released at massively higher prices than two 970s!
 

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AMD usually sells their cards a bit cheaper than Nvidia, unless it is one of the special cards like the 295x2, then the price shouldn't be massively high.
 


if i were i would hold that 970SLI for now. if you really want to get something better just wait for the next generation of GPU.
 


i would not be so sure about that. the current 980/970 is based on GM204. nvidia usually come up with their 550mm2+ chip with every major architecture change. so far they haven't show that yet. i doubt nvidia will let AMD 300 series go unanswered for more than 1 quarter. if AMD come out with something in Q2 nvidia will counter with something new in Q3.