New network IP camera?

RL600 · Mar 10, 2015

Dear all,

I want to buy an new ip cam for my home.
The following is what I need:

1.) It will be used for outside ( IP66 )
2.) Vandal proof is an must
3.) Normal HD is the minimum (anything above is nice of course)
4.) Varifocus is not needed ( 2.4 mm as fixed size would be the most ideal )
5.) PTZ would be nice but not necessary
6.) IR is an must
7.) Prize: max. 300 dollars
7.) There are holes already so wired would be nice
8.) I personally prefer dome camera's above bullets

I did found some camera's from "Hikvision", but found out that there is "hikvision.com" and "overseas.hikvision.com". What is the difference? I ask this because different products are shown on both sites.

What do you recommand?

USAFRet · Mar 10, 2015

2. If it is 'outside', nothing is vandal proof. A baseball bat trumps all.

RL600 · Mar 10, 2015

Ok, so if I would buy an inside camera you can buy an vandal proof? Ok, so let's assume nothing is vandal proof, but there are differences right? Or are all camera's equally when it comes to "vandal proof"?

USAFRet · Mar 10, 2015

RL600 :

Well...if it is 'inside', they'd need to be inside your house to do anything. And if they are already inside the house, you have much bigger things to worry about.

You could build an armored box for an outside camera to combat the baseball bat. And then a can of spray paint defeats that....

kanewolf · Mar 10, 2015

For $300 I haven't seen a PTZ HD camera that I would buy. I think you will be a fixed field of view. "Normal HD" is an ambiguous term. 720P ? 1080P?

kanewolf · Mar 10, 2015

Elevation is your best vandal prevention. If it is out of reach it is hard to vandalize. But, as long as the camera captures who is vandalizing it, for prosecution, that is about the best you can do. Think of placements that don't have a blind approach.

RL600 · Mar 10, 2015

@USAFRet Ah ok, I get your point now. What would you recommand?

@kanewolf, I know about PTZ, but I was kind of hoping there some options out there I did overlooked

. What I did found was this one: Foscam FI9828W .The pictures seems to be good. Oh 720p was what I was trying to say

kanewolf · Mar 10, 2015

They are relatively inexpensive, so you could get more than one to cover a larger field of view -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881102103 or the higher res version -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881102091
I have setup a couple for a friend. They do REQUIRE some network storage (NAS or equivalent) to record to. A POE switch makes wiring simple.

USAFRet · Mar 10, 2015

kanewolf :

Ah, but elevation is defeated by a hat with a brim. All you know is 'someone' did it.
Overlapping coverage is the key. I have a fake camera, right next to the sign in the window. Obvious, and looks quite real. Take out that $5 thing, and the hidden real one captures you doing it.

OP...are you looking at wired or wireless? Personally, I would not do wireless. Less attack surface.

RL600 · Mar 10, 2015

Thanks for you answers. I updated the start post for more info. Is there any difference in safety when comparing dome camera's with bullet camera's? Domes seem to be more secure

kanewolf · Mar 10, 2015

I have generally found that visible cameras, and signs are a pretty good deterrent, or maybe I am lucky....

USAFRet · Mar 10, 2015

kanewolf :

Exactly. They will go for the easiest target. Your cameraless neighbor.

boosted1g · Mar 10, 2015

Height and having the cables internally in the housing are as much of "vandal proof" that you can really get, and whenever possible you want each camera being monitored by a different camera.

I have this switch driving my 4 IP cameras.
http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-SF1008P-100Mbps-8-Port-802-3af/dp/B003CFATT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425999431&sr=8-1&keywords=tp-link+poe+switch

I use Huacam HCV-701 cameras but while they fit my needs they are not as high of resolution as you are wanting and are even larger then the trendnet ones linked earlier.

I also use and suggest BlueIris software for the NVR, just have to have a reasonably powered PC (i3 or better CPU, and 8GB of ram)

boosted1g · Mar 10, 2015

Another factor is viewing angle, if you don't need a wide angle then 4mm will give you about 85-90 degrees. If you need larger then you want a 2.8mm lense

bill001g · Mar 10, 2015

I have been looking at hikvision stuff for a while and there appears to be something very strange going on in their distribution channels. Almost all the retail location including huge ones like amazon and newegg have been declared unauthorized which means the will not honor the factory warranty. They obviously want the sales from these big retailers since they could easily stop it. Most the authorized sellers are the type that will want to sell it as a installed package not sell you equipment so it would be extremely hard for a individual to get the product authorized.

I suspect you just need to take into account that you are on your own when you look at the pricing on hikvision stuff.

USAFRet · Mar 10, 2015

Another comment on 'vandal-proof':
Some systems have an alarm function, whereby if the DVR loses signal from a camera, it starts screaming. So a cut cable, or other destruction, triggers the alarm.

RL600 · Mar 10, 2015

@bill001g , wow man I did not know that! So you would not recommand hikvision stuff. What do you have or what do you recommand?

bill001g · Mar 10, 2015

RL600 :

The few hikvision cameras I have played with I liked a lot and the few people that I actually know that have them have no issues. At the moment my cameras are getting old and I have been thinking about new toys. I have not decided I still really like the ones I have seen.

I have never seen this issue before. I knew if I bought from ebay that could happen but even sears is on the list of unauthorized resellers.

McHenryB · Mar 10, 2015

USAFRet :

No - it's the opposite. If they see video cameras, security lights, burglar alarms, etc. they know that you have something worth stealing. The best defence is a shabby house with an old wreck of a car in the drive.

USAFRet · Mar 10, 2015

McHenryB :

HAHA. I have all that, actually!
Broken truck in the driveway? Check
Hanging gutter? Check
Motion detector porch light? Check
Cameras? Check

RL600 · Mar 10, 2015

And what about that overseas hikvision and without the overseas. They both show different product but which one is for which part of the world?

quest2900 · Apr 30, 2015

RL600 :

Dear all,

I want to buy an new ip cam for my home.
The following is what I need:

1.) It will be used for outside ( IP66 )
2.) Vandal proof is an must
3.) Normal HD is the minimum (anything above is nice of course)
4.) Varifocus is not needed ( 2.4 mm as fixed size would be the most ideal )
5.) PTZ would be nice but not necessary
6.) IR is an must
7.) Prize: max. 300 dollars
7.) There are holes already so wired would be nice
8.) I personally prefer dome camera's above bullets

I did found some camera's from "Hikvision", but found out that there is "hikvision.com" and "overseas.hikvision.com". What is the difference? I ask this because different products are shown on both sites.

What do you recommand?

quest2900 · Apr 30, 2015

well Hk vision cameras are good , you can purchase them either on amazon.com or eBay, the Chinese version of seller is available on aliexpress.com
mostly in the range of US$ 100- 300 , you will get a good bargain.

bill001g · Apr 30, 2015

quest2900 :

What is your opinion on this.
http://www.hikvision.com/en/us/UnauthorizedDistributors.asp
Almost all the more common online places you can get these cameras are not authorized which means no support or warranty

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