Advice on Building Wish A Pre-existing Case

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I know similar threads already exist, but this thread is for a very specific case. To make a long story short, I want to build what would essentially the highest-spec build for my budget that would fit into the case I'm working with. The case is the stock case for a Gateway 5200s. I'm aware that cases are generally the least expensive part in a build, but I have a relatively low budget to start, so I want to try to work with this case as much as I can.

These are the parts I plan to use for the start of my build. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bMcfGX

I also have an Nvidia Geforce GT 610 variant with 2GB of vRAM I plan to supplement the APU with if it ends up being underpowered as a bare bones setup until I'm able to buy more parts for it. Basically, this idea was to get the best parts I could under a budget of about $400 (with no room to go a penny higher until later down the line) with the ability to expand as I'm able to save up more. I plan to future proof this by saving up to increase the memory to at least 16gb and replace the APU and/or supplementing GT 610 with crossfired R9s.

If it helps with suggestions, I plan to use this build for moderate gaming, possibly streaming of said gaming when I've applied future upgrades, and the development of said games(including programming, texture work using GIMP, and creating models using Blender.) I also have plans for amateur 3D animation projects I might use this computer for. All other uses for this computer would be fairly light use (browsing, creating/editing documents, etc.).

One final note, I omitted the operating system, because I'm initially going to have this build run on a version of Linux, and will possibly dual-boot using Windows 10 when it's available for purchase(yes, I know it's free for anyone with Windows 8 or 8.1, but I'd rather not pay for 8.1 just to upgrade to 10. Unless Windows 10 is significantly more expensive than 8.1, I feel there is little gain from getting 8.1 first. Especially since I only really need Windows for any games that don't properly work with Wine. There's also the fact that my budget will, hopefully, be significantly less constrained by the time 10 times out.)
 
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if you plan to upgrade, you DONT want to go down the apu route. why?
-wanted to get a better processor? you're stuck. the a10 is the best you will get since the FX cpus from amd run on a different cpu socket. the only other option is the x2/x4 and those arent all that stellar compared to what else is on the market either.
-wanted to get a better graphics card? you're stuck. the processor side of the apus is comparatively weak compared to both FX chips and low end intel so if you upgade too much you're not going to get the most out of a card. yes you can dualgraphics a weak amd card with the apu but you would be better off not in many cases.

if you wanted to go integrated graphics, you would be better off going intel's i-series though...

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7700K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($125.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($65.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $306.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-19 00:44 EDT-0400

This will be much better.
8gb RAM.
Unlocked cpu.
Better chipset.
Cheaper but very good quality psu.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($149.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $399.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-19 00:49 EDT-0400
I'd go for this build.
 
You buy a apu because of the good integrated graphics.
Once you upgrade with a dedicated graphics card, you lose that benefit.
Then, there is little cpu upgrade capability.
What you build will be what you have for some time.

My suggestion is to build using a $65 G3258 and a lga 1150 motherboard.
That gives you plenty of cpu upgrade options to i3/i5/i7.

Do not plan on dual graphics cards unless you will have triple monitors or a 4k monitor. Dual gpu motherboards are more expensive. A single card solves many issues.

Here is my stock budget build discussion; take from it what you will:

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For a budget build, I like to recommend that one builds for future expandability.
That means paying a bit more up front for some parts that allow for an easier future upgrade.
Let me start where you might not expect:
1. Buy a good 620w psu. Such a unit will run any future graphics card.
I would normally suggest Seasonic 620w:
2. Buy a Z97 based motherboard. Z97 will allow you to install a overclockable cpu and even offer a future 14nm broadwell upgrade.
You should find one for under $100.
Here is a M-ATX : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157529
3. I suggest a G3258. It is a overclockable dual core at a budget price of about $65.
Here is what it can do: http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-p...
In time, you can upgrade to any I3/I5/I7 cpu that you want and market the G3258.
4. The intel stock cooler will do the job up to a point. But, I suggest a $30 tower type cooler like the cm hyper212 with a 120mm fan. It will cool better and be quieter under load.
5. For ram, speed is not important. Buy a 8gb kit of 2 x 4gb DDR3 1.5v ram.
If you will be using the integrated graphics, I suggest faster ram. It improves the performance. 1866 is good. You will get a WEI of 6.4.
6. Cases are a personal thing. Buy one you love. Most will do the job for <$50.
It would be hard to beat $34 delivered for this Antec GX500 :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129191
7. The graphics card is the most important component for gaming. My usual rule of thumb is to budget 2x the cpu cost for the graphics card. I like the GTX750ti and EVGA as a brand.
Here is a superclock version:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You could go stronger in the video card if your budget permits and your games need it.
On the other hand, you could build using the integrated graphics and see how you do.
By deferring on the graphics card, you will get a better idea of what you really need.
Integrated is fine for sims, but not fast action games.
8. Lastly, I will never build again without a SSD for the "C" drive. It makes everything you do so much quicker. 120gb will hold the OS and a handful of games.
With 240gb you may never need a hard drive at all. Defer on a hard drive until your ssd approaches 90% full.
Currently, I like samsung 850 EVO best.

-------------good luck------------





 
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Thanks for the advice on the parts, ykki. Though, I'd rather stick with what I've picked out so far. The only thing I would change is that I might start with an A8 CPU instead of an A10 to save myself a little bit of money until I can get a better processor.

geofelt, the idea behind getting an APU was to buy myself some time on saving up for a decent graphics card. If I'm not mistaken, there's nothing that can stop someone from adding a dedicated graphics card to a computer with an APU. If there is, it's a matter of getting a CPU instead and just using the GT610 I already have with this old computer.

I want to apologize for not being clear about the fact that one of my concerns is whether or not I'll have any problems relating to the case itself. One thing that comes to mind is the possibility that the front USB slots won't work on the case because they're USB 2.0 and the USBs on the motherboard are 3.0. I also worry that I might run into a cooling issue if trying to use this particular case. If that's an issue, I'd like to know so I don't end up buying all those parts only to find out that I would need a different case from the one I'm trying to work with. I do appreciate the feedback about the parts chosen, however. I notice that there seems to be a preference for Intel processors. I completely understand that and agree that Intel tends to make better processors. Though, their processors also tend to be more expensive. That being the case, as long as there's no issues with my temporary APU setup, I'm merely going to stick to the AMD build I'm going with.
 
if you plan to upgrade, you DONT want to go down the apu route. why?
-wanted to get a better processor? you're stuck. the a10 is the best you will get since the FX cpus from amd run on a different cpu socket. the only other option is the x2/x4 and those arent all that stellar compared to what else is on the market either.
-wanted to get a better graphics card? you're stuck. the processor side of the apus is comparatively weak compared to both FX chips and low end intel so if you upgade too much you're not going to get the most out of a card. yes you can dualgraphics a weak amd card with the apu but you would be better off not in many cases.

if you wanted to go integrated graphics, you would be better off going intel's i-series though on a low budget you can certainly make do with a g3258 and low end graphics card for now. this would mean you can upgrade both parts easily in the future without hassle or bottlenecks.

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about your case:

you would want to check that your motherboard would fit. i would measure the one you have now and compare it with the ATX spec to check that it matches.

motherboards typically have usb2 and usb3 connectors onboard now so you should be able to still use your ports (though honestly if you built in a mATX sized case you can get good ones for $25 which would be MUCH MUCH better).

poor airflow. if you stuff too much in that case you're going to have heat problems. you could mangle the case and stuff fans into it but it would not be pretty. it would be better to just get a new case.

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your choice of course.

 
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Thank you for the feedback! What you said in particular was very insightful, as I've not really had anyone tell me a reason to want Intel over AMD in my case other than simply perpetuating the "AMD sucks" rhetoric. I'm definitely going to go the Intel route for this particular build. My only worry is that it may be difficult to squeeze into my current budget. However, I think I can make it work.

As for what you said about the case, I don't think heat will initially be a problem, but I will probably have to look into a fan for this case further down the line. It would definitely be far easier to buy another case, but my budget is tight and the site I was using doesn't seem to have any decent mATX cases for any cheaper than $50. Because of my current employment, even $50 is significant amount of money for me. That's why I want something bare bones with the scalability to eventually bring it to a higher-end setup.
 
what i said is more "intel vs amd's apu" for your particular case. not so much amd vs intel as even amd's FX lineup of chips would work though intel is currently the leader in performance. intel FX does run hot though so i did not suggest them since you had a possibly hot-box case already.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cougar-case-spike goes on sale for $25 or less and if you built a microATX sized system its not a bad deal. there are other cheap cases of course. that is if you went with a smaller sized system. for a full sized system http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cougar-case-solution is often found for $38 or lower and has good value for the money. both need some fans added and there are other cases at similar prices with an extra fan but its an option.

yes, i think if you went intel and kept barebones h97 (if not overclocking) or z97 (if overclocking) with a decent power supply and ram you will have a system which would be upgradeable in the future and scale up rather well.
 
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Sorry for the late reply, I had some semi-personal issues to take care of that made me forget to check the forum. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Still, it seems like Intel would be my best bet if the FX chipsets put off a lot of heat. Sadly, there's not exactly a ton of room for cooling components in a micro ATX case. It also doesn't help that additional cooling is honestly an expense I don't want to have to add to it(I know that may sound crazy, but my thinking is that since I won't fully be utilizing the hardware just yet, it wouldn't need to be an initial expense.). The case does seem to have fans built into it, but I think I'll scrap the idea of using the original case.

I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think I found a decent z97 that I'm going to be basing the build on.