Should my CPU be heating up this much? Even with a brand new, powerful CPU cooler?

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Hey everyone, I need help with something, or at least an answer that will comfort me.

First things first, the stock cooler on my CPU was pretty bad. It would, every other day, make awful grinding noises upon booting up, and was far too loud. I bought an Arctic Freezer 13 CO, and after a hour of EXTREMELY PAINFUL installation, which flies in the face of how easy it advertises installation, I finally have it installed. I'm concerned it's blocking airflow from both the back fan and the top exhaust fan, but the front fans are unobstructed. Yeah, there's a ton of vents and fans in my computer!

Sadly, it only appears to of improved temperatures when not playing a game, even if a video says 75 degrees Celsius in HWMonitor after watching a fullscreen YouTube video. I'm a PC gamer, and for some reason every PC game causes the processor to heat up significantly, even something like Counterstrike: Global Offensive. I can't have that because of thermal throttling and the performance reductions that came with excessive heat, but clearly, nothing has changed. Playing Dying Light still results in nearly 90 degrees Celsius heat just like before, with only a small improvement from the dangerous 95 degrees Celsius it was before. Where thermal throttling occurs. HWMonitor's heat readings keep jumping all over the place as it is, and I'm sure 77 degrees Celsius is just fine for the GPU. But geez, when I quit the game I noticed it maxed 93.4 degrees Celsius. What if I played the game longer? Would it just keep slowly increasing anyway? With how hard the stupid CPU cooler was to install, did it keep getting pushed around atop the processor, causing the thermal paste to get unevenly distributed? Yeah, I use HWMonitor. I don't know if it's giving me correct readings.

So, is it okay if it's always getting this hot when I play PC games?

Here are my specs:

CyberPowerPC X Titan 100

Windows 8.1 64 bit

AMD A10-7850K with 3.7GHz of speed and 4 cores

AMD Radeon R9 270X graphics card with 2GB of video memory

8GB of RAM

MSI A78M-E35 motherboard

600 watt power supply

I can't keep up at this rate. It's too much stress for me to take... I can't keep playing games or recording for my YouTube Channel at this rate if it makes things too hot.
 

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Something isn't right. Check your caseflow. Maybe we could see some images? With dual 680s my GPUs only reach 69*C on air. You need to verify that your fans are flowing air smoothly, preferably as much in as out, otherwise you end up with hot spots in the case.
 
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Well, man, I can tell you that the caseflow isn't very good now due to the bulky CPU cooler! It was much better before, when it was STILL getting too hot. Thermal paste appeared to be on just fine before I cleaned it off for the new cooler.

That motherboard is very small, so everything is bunched up together in the top left corner. However, there is a lot of space inside. In fact, there's a ton of space! There's vents in the back, front, and top. There are 4 case fans. 2 in the front, 1 on top, and 1 in the back. The airflow for the CPU cooler is upwards, away from the GPU or other components.

I used HWMonitor for temperatures, and now I'm using HWInfo instead. It's reaching 88.3 degrees Celsius at max. That's actually an improvement over the mid 90s it was reaching when playing modern PC games. I'm playing Dying Light now as I type this, and I have it open to stress test it.

So it's NOT normal for it be this hot? Well, I'm doomed pretty much. I cannot afford a new PC... although maybe if I do a financing offer on a custom prebuilt PC website.
 
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Please, somebody, help me, I'm in tears... I can't do anything anymore. I have to abandon PC gaming or recording gaming stuff for YouTube, things that I love to do. Because itt gets far too hot, it's not supposed to heat up to anything above 75 degrees Celsius, but nothing improved it at all. It's only a few months old, and I never knew I was hurting it by playing modern games! My PC is my lifeblood. It's my livlihood. I'm a freelance artist and I do gaming videos for YouTube that I TRULY LOVE TO DO without any shred of doubt. My precious friends are on here, my family away from family. I need a nice PC, and I like this one! I want to keep it, but I can't at this rate! I can't keep running it so hot!

Please, help me!
 

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First thing you should try is resitting the cooler with some fresh thermal compound, if you havent already. Take the graphics card and ram out, so its a bit easier to place the cooler down on top of the cpu without them getting in your way.
 
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I'd like to mention that it was hell just to install it. The very top of the PC gets in the way every single time. The RAM never got in the way. The GPU did, however, and it was removed to make it easier before. But it was hell to install it on my FM2+ socket, leading me to believe that Arctic doesn't care about AMD users at all. I had to get someone else to help me!

Also, the reviews for the CPU cooler are extremely positive... the thermal paste pre applied is good enough based on these reviews. I don't want to check if the thermal paste is properlly distributed and have to go through the process of installing this hulking beast again! Keep in mind that we had to use two DIFFERENT screws from our collection of spare screws over here even to install it. Because the ones that came with the CPU cooler were too short in length. What's to say that the newly applied thermal paste won't get squished around all over again?! It was already so hard installing that CPU cooler, our hands kept bumping into it over here!
 
Sometime, APUs do give a false read-out with certain temperature monitoring programs.

Install AMD Overdrive, or Coretemp. Those have given me the most accurate core (not socket) temperatures the most amount of times, in my experience. (As a caveat, AMD Overdrive reads Thermal *Margin* - the distance you have until you reach your thermal threshold.)

If you can post some screenies, we can help you more.
 
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Am I losing my mind? What's going on? I booted up good 'ol Dying Light while running AMD Overdrive, that game is a pretty good modern benchmark especially for stress testing CPUs or GPUs, and look at what it said then.

It consistently stayed below 50 degrees Celsius.

Am I dreaming? Didn't it just say 40-67 degrees Celsius before, while idle? It gets much lower when stressed, which most programs didn't detect, it just kept saying it was getting hotter and hotter. While idle, it keeps rapidly going up from 40, then stopping at near 70, then dropping back to 40. Naturally, the GPU will heat up to 76 degrees Celsius at most. I know for a fact that those can stay stable up to 120 degrees Celsius, so I'm good there!

What am I supposed to believe?

 

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While not 100% accurate, most software solutions for measuring CPU temp can be useful. However, if you're getting large offsets like 38*C vs 90*C, I would recommend comparing the idle temperatures of the motherboard CPU to the idle temperature of the HWMonitor or CoreTemp or whatever software you use. The easiest method is to shut the computer down after you've written down the temperature and jump directly to BIOS from your monitoring software to get the most accurate temperature. While it wont be 100% accurate, it will probably give you an idea of which temperature monitoring solution can be trusted.

Software like CoreTemp will have a temperature offset function and that will let you put in the difference. For the sake of longevity it's recommended you don't run a CPU higher than 20*C below it's maximum.

My coretemp temperature was 72*C in overclocking + Prime95 stress testing but it was shutting down randomly at that temperature. The thermal shut-off limit was 90*C or so for the FX-8350 I was testing. I've since put the thermal offset at +18*C for it and haven't had an issue when stress testing since. When overclocking you usually try to push a CPU to the edge of it's limits, and then pull back a little, until it's 100% stable. If you don't know the actual temps it can be dangerous to try to push hardware. Some may tell you otherwise. In this same sense, it's perfectly reasonable to have a negative offset. I'm using a Corsair H110 cooler right now and haven't had any temps while gaming above 65*C @ 4.8GHZ.

I have had issues however where the original paste I put down was poorly applied and I was getting excessive temperatures anyways. If you are worried about thermal paste and think you may want to reapply it toms featured an article regarding types of pastes tested. One of the higher scoring ones was Noctua NT-H1, and that's the one I've been using. In contrast, surprisingly Artic Silver performed relatively low.

Coolaboratory liquid is the highest scoring one but it corrodes aluminum and is electrically conductive, and without a successful burn-in period of 140*F which is nearly impossible on most AMD chips, the compound performs worse than the cheapest pastes.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-performance-benchmark,3616-17.html

As far as the GPU is concerned you would have "Safe" Temperatures up to 90*C. I don't recommend letting them run above 80*C. The only reason for this is while the chips can run stable at 100*C, the longevity of them greatly diminishes. The solder on the chips softens, and during the heating and cooling process, solder between contact points on the chipset can become a complete seperation or a hotspot, resulting in the death of the card. That said, you're fine at 76*C. The only reason I get cool temps of 66-68*C under load for my GPUs is because I have a 240MM fan blowing right on top of them from the side panel.
 


Either you did not read my caveat, or you did not understand.

AMD Overdrive does not tell you the temperature of your CPU, it tells you the Thermal Margin. Thermal Margin is a backwards way of telling temperatures - it tells you the difference you have until you reach your thermal threshold.

This means that your 38.1C reading means you have 38.1 degrees until you reach your maximum operating CPU temperature. If it is telling you 67C, that means you have 67 degress until you reach your maximum operating CPU temperature - so your CPU is actually *colder* when it tells you 67.

Install and run Coretemp. When you run Dying Light again; I wouldn't be surprised if your Core Temperature is actually around 40C.
 

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Good call on the Thermal Margin. I didn't even notice it said that. Hopefully he gets back soon with his findings.
 
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Oh! I was wondering why it was called "Thermal Margin"... but, it's not really so bad now, is it? At most, it was at 33 degrees Celsius thermal margin. That's really not that bad, is it?

I'll download CoreTemp and do one last test, then I'll decide who here has the best answer to close this thread down. It's very possible that I was freaking out for no reason at all. I apologize for my behavior. As I've said, my PC is like a piece of my soul. XD
 
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Alright, I've come back with some surprising readings from CoreTemp. For the most part, it never seems to go above 40 degrees Celsius, hovering at 38 for the majority of being under load, and reaching 42 at most. It's very possible that I've freaked out over nothing, but I come here to get answers, help, and perhaps some advice. PC gaming is a learning experience to this very day, after all!

Thank you all very much for the support. It appears I did install the new CPU cooler properlly, because it seems to be doing its job for the most part. I'm quite happy, because this does indeed leave some wiggle room for overclocking! :)

 
It's all good; the wonderful world of CPU thermals and the arcane mysteries of reading them is always scary rabbit hole. It sucks that a program decided to wig out on you and provide you with an inconvenience. But, on the bright side, you learned a couple new things - including that AMD Overdrive is properly calibrated to your CPU. Also, your cooler is working great, around 40C is excellent.
 

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