Which SATA port for installing SSD to Desktop

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Hello, So i have a brand new Samsung 850 EVO that I'm either going to save when I purchase a new Laptop, or install it to my current Desktop that's using a HDD and Windows 7. I'm going to clone the HDD because I don't know how to do a fresh install. My desktop is a Dell Studio XPS i7 with an 870 prcoessor, 8 GB RAM, XFX PSU and a GTX 870. So when I go to connect the new SSD to my mobo, does it matter which SATA port I use? I'm guessing my HDD is connected to SATA 1 so would I connect the SSD to SATA 2, Clone the harddrives and change boot order? Or do I need to clone the drive, put the SSD to SATA 1 and HDD to SATA 2 and then change boot order? My MOBO is probably prettty old and I don't have any experience in BIOS or know how to or if i need to change anyting to ACHI. Any help would much appreciated because I don't know what I'm doing! :??:
 

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With an SSD always do a clean install, imo. All you will require is the install files and the ssd connected, you can run it from windows.

Put the ssd on the lowest sata port, move the hdd to the next available one. AHCI is significantly faster than IDE with an ssd.
 

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I would do a clean install but I don't have a windows 7 disk as it was already on my desktop and don't i have to download and find all the drivers for my computer and put them on a thumbdrive, especially my network drivers? I don't know how to do any of that and sounds way to confusing to try and guess what to do. How do I know if my MOBO has AHCI?
 

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Before you install the SSD change to AHCI.

When you access the bios there will be tabs you can switch through. One of the options will be something like Storage Configuration, go in there. There will be a box, Sata Mode --> IDE, change it to AHCI.

After you make the change boot to windows, windows will automatically install new drivers for you. Once confirmed installed, restart again. Now you are ready to install the SSD. Do not install until you have successfully done the other steps.

You can download the Windows 7 Install files directly from Microsoft upon production of a retail serial number, once you have them you can place them either on a DVD or a USB stick; both will suffice but I prefer a DVD. Run the installer from windows, tell it to install to your SSD and watch the progress.

Cloning windows installs does not work well on SSDs, ime.

 

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So I went into my BIOS and went through every category and couldn't find anywhere to change IDE to ACHI. I went into "Advanced Chipset Features" and it shows my main HDD is set to RAID rather than ATA, if that means anything. I took a picture of my BIOS but I can't see how to post it on here. I click on the photo icon but it asks for a URL.
 

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If i change it from RAID to ATA (with just my current HDD installed) will Windows boot up normally or is there more to process? I'm afraid of changing anything in BIOS and then my computer not starting lol. :??: :fou: :ouch:
 

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ATA is the default. RAID and AHCI require a driver install to function. Changing from RAID to ATA should present no problems. If you are not comfortable with it do not do it, as only you can be accountable for the choice and your system is already functioning normally.
 

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Alright, I better not do it then. So since I cannot find an AHCI option and my SATA ports are SATA II, is it even worth installing a SSD to my desktop or would it be better served installing the SSD into a brand new laptop? I appreciate your patience and help as well.
 

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Thanks! So I'm still intimidated by doing a fresh install of Windows so I'm going to Back up my computer and trying cloning the drives anyway. If it doesn't work out I'll take it to a computer shop here that can fix whatever I could screw up.
So for cloning, do I want to put my SSD on the first SATA input and move my HDD to the second SATA input, boot from my HDD and clone? Then go into BIOS and set SSD to first boot priority?
 

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That is the order I would do, although I still wouldn't clone to an SSD ;)

Here is a guide for you: http://lifehacker.com/5837543/how-to-migrate-to-a-solid-state-drive-without-reinstalling-windows
 

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Thanks so much for everything. I can't wait to give it a try when my SSD gets here on Monday!
 
First of all I really don't think you have to be concerned about changing any setting in your BIOS. The likelihood is that the SATA controller is already set to AHCI.

You should have no problem using a disk-cloning program to clone the contents of your present HDD to your new Samsung SSD provided...
1. Your present system is without problems. The HDD boots without incident and functions effectively and you would have no qualms in migrating the entire system over to your new SSD, and,
2. The disk-capacity of the SSD is sufficient to contain the total contents of your HDD.

Given those caveats you can go ahead with the disk-cloning operation.

Fortunately you have a Samsung SSD. The Data Migration program that's bundled with the SSD is an excellent disk-cloning program to use with your system. We've used the program more than a dozen times and it has worked flawlessly.

Here's a rundown re using the SDM program:

(Before you begin ensure that the only drives that are connected in the system are the source & destination drives, i.e., your HDD & SSD. Uninstall any other storage devices that may be connected such as a flash drive, USB external HDD, etc.)

1. With both your HDD & SSD connected boot the system. The system will, of course, boot to the HDD's Win 7 OS.

2. Install the Samsung Data Migration program on the HDD.

3. Access the program and click Start.

4. The Source Disk (your HDD) and the Target Disk (your SSD) will be identified.

5. Click Start.

6. Click Yes when the confirmation message appears.

7. The disk-cloning process will begin. It can be a lengthy process depending upon the amount of data that's being cloned.

8. When the cloning process has successfully completed a message will appear to that effect.

9. Click Quit, then Shut Down.

10. After the system has been shut down disconnect the HDD from the system and boot to the SSD. Assuming all is well ensure that your new SSD boot drive is connected to the first SATA connector on the motherboard which will be designated either SATA 0 or SATA 1. It will probably be the same SATA connector the HDD was connected to. The HDD can now be connected to any following SATA connector.

Work with the new SSD for a while to determine no problems exist. Then you can do what yur want with the HDD which I assume you'll be installing as a secondary drive for backup/storage purposes.

Good luck.
 

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Make sure you use a SATA port controlled by your CPU or Chipset, as some third party SATA controllers do not boot properly.

I have used Acronis True Image to clone hard drives onto SSDs several times with no issues. You have to initialize new SSDs in Windows before running Acronis, or Acronis will not recognize the SSD.
 

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Thanks for the step-by-step! I'm going to give it a try this weekend. Also, when i go to format my existing HDD to store all my games, should I format it to MBR or GPT? It's a 1.5TB HDD.
 
With that 1.5 TB HDD it's of little consequence whether the partition scheme is MBR or GPT.
You can if you want access the System info (command prompt > msinfo32) and check the "BIOS Mode". If it's Legacy (and not UEFI) I would just use the MBR partitioning scheme.
 

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Quick Question: I started running a Windows Back Up and it's only at 20% after 5 hours. Now the thing is, I already have my music, personal files, movies, pictures, etc saved on several other external HDD's. Do I even need to be running a Windows Back Up of C: Drive? Before I started the Windows Back Up, I forgot to delete about 500 GB of games that are on my HDD, so I imagine this Back Up is going to take forever. Can I just cancel this Windows Back Up, install my SDD, Migrate the data from my HDD to my SSD or do you recommend letting Windows Back Up finish?
 
That Windows Backup & Restore program is a dog, notwithstanding Microsoft's trumpeting of the program. It's a pity you even started it. But what's done is done.

While there shouldn't be any problem with your cancelling the program I do have some apprehension that there's always a chance of data corruption involving the drive as a consequence which could adversely affect future data migration. While I suppose the danger of such would be minimal I wonder therefore whether under the circumstances it would be the best course of action to let the program run its course and go on from there. Hopefully time is not a really critical issue for you.
 

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I was afraid of that. Time isn't critical but I'm being impatient because I really want to install the SSD. I'm tempted to cancel the Back Up, uninstall all my large games, run a disk error check, defrag, and then install the SSD. Would you risk it?
 

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So i just connected my SSD to my second Sata II port and installed the samsung magician. I then intialized the SSD from Device Manager but when I run the Samsung Magician, there is no option to do the migration. It shows my SSD in Good Health but it says "AHCI MODE" = Deactivated (IDE or RAID). Next to the it says "SATA Interface" = N/A. In my bios there was no option anywhere to switch to AHCI. What do i do??
 

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If AHCI is not available, set your BIOS/UEFI to RAID but don't setup any RAID arrays (unless you want to). This will allow your drives to use the main benefits of AHCI, such as Native Command Queuing and TRIM.