HELP Building hardcore gaming and 3d animation PC - 4500 budget

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I'm writing this thread, because i'm in a position where I can't make a decision on my own and I need your opinion on this, because i want to make the best decision.

Currently I have a budget that is around 4500 - 5000$ - and this budget is ONLY for the PC, i got everything else.

My main goals are following:

  • hardcore gaming PC - Playing with setting at MAXED in heavy games such as crysis, BTF, watchdogs etc without lag or problems - playing 4K with no problems (good fps) would be nice, but the 4K is not a requirement.
    ■ Fast and solid when rendering - using animation programs such as unity, 3D MAX, maya, after effect etc.
    ■ Working with multiply software at once without it having major effect on the performance.

I've made a build myself, which I think would be provide me with what I need (and properly much more aka overkill build) - and a very good friend of mine told me that my build is not worth it for my needs - he told me that I should aim for a cheaper build because my build will cost too much and is not worth the extra money since it won't really give more efficiency / boost.

...and this is where I need YOUR OPINION, because I don't know what to do.

I've listed the two build below:

#1 - My build (the expensive / overkill build)


  • CPU: Intel core i7 5930K / 3.5 GHz Processer - LGA2011-v3
    Motherboard: ASUS X99-E WS - SSI CEB LGA2011-v3 OR ASUS RAMPAGE V EXTREME/U3.1
    GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX TITAN X - 12GB GDDR5 OR ASUS GTX 980 STRIX
    RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport - 2x8GB DDR4 2400MHz PC4-19200 CL16
    --------------------- THIS PART CONSIST THE SAME IN BOTH BUILDS ----------------------
    COOLER: Corsair Hydro Series H105 240mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler - 120mm 37.7dBA
    HDD: Seagate Barracuda STB3000200 - 3.5" SATA 600 3TB
    SDD: Samsung 850 EVO MZ-75E500 - 2.5″ SATA-600 500GB
    POWER: Corsair HX1000i, 1000W PSU ATX 12V V2.4, 80 Plus Platinum, Modular, 8x
    6+2-pin PCIe, 12x SATA, 12x Molex
    --------------------- THIS PART CONSIST THE SAME IN BOTH BUILDS ----------------------
    CASE: NZXT Phantom 820

#2 - My friends suggested build (alot cheaper)


  • CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K Socket-LGA1150,Quad Core,4.0GHz,8MB,88W,22nm,HD4600,Boxed w/fan, Devil's Canyon
    Motherboard: MSI Z97 MPOWER MAX AC, Socket-1150 ATX, Z97, DDR3, 3xPCIe-x16, SLI/CFX, HDMI,DP,WiFi(ac), BT, M.2, OC Certified
    GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Gaming 4GB PCI-Express 3.0, "Twin Frozr V" OR ASUS GTX 980 STRIX
    RAM: G.Skill Sniper 16GB DDR3 PC-17000 2133MHz (F3-17000CL9Q-16GBSR) (4x4GB) OR G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB DDR3 PC-14900 1866MHz CL9 (F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL) (2x4GB)
    --------------------- THIS PART CONSIST THE SAME IN BOTH BUILDS ----------------------
    COOLER: Corsair Hydro Series H105 240mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler - 120mm 37.7dBA
    HDD: Seagate Barracuda STB3000200 - 3.5" SATA 600 3TB
    SDD: Samsung 850 EVO MZ-75E500 - 2.5″ SATA-600 500GB
    POWER: Corsair HX1000i, 1000W PSU ATX 12V V2.4, 80 Plus Platinum, Modular, 8x
    6+2-pin PCIe, 12x SATA, 12x Molex
    --------------------- THIS PART CONSIST THE SAME IN BOTH BUILDS ----------------------
    CASE: NZXT Phantom 530

NOTE: The expesive build (#1) is almost 4.6k in price, the other build is around 2.6k in price, so roughly there is a 2x diffrence.

Please let me hear your thoughts on these two, and which one you think I should go with.
And if you think both of these builds are really bad or any components are bad for these builds, please do also let me know. Also, if you think can make a better build, please submit the build here and let me know, most and highly appreciated !

Looking forward to your answers and once again, much obliged :)

 
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Yes, your problem is you just can't do both well on any single build. If animation was a sometime thing, I would say do the Z97 build because overclocked the 4970k beats the overclocked 5830k.

A great gaming machine will cost you $1800 and be 50% faster than a GTX 980 and faster than a Titan X .... that leaves you $3200 for a Animation Build.

$1,800 Gaming Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($161.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850...
-Gaming and rendering require different GFX so your choice is a tough one. Some animation programs won't even run on GTX cards ... gaming stinks on Quadros.

- An H series cooler is an embarrassment in both builds. It' gets soundly beat by cheaper air coolers and embarrassed by the Swiftech h240-X / H-220-X and it will get you a whopping 6C over any air cooler on the market and 9C over the H100i. Also, your inside air case turnover will increase substantially... so while the air exiting the rad is warmer it, goes right outside the rear grille w/o running over and past your other components. I have tested this with a fog machine and 6 temperature sensors

-The Phantoms are nice cases but, they come up quite short as compared to the Phanteks. I see no reason why you couldn't fit everything in an Enthoo Luxe which is in between the two you listed. The 530 ~ Enthoo Pro and won Case of the Year award in 2014; The 820 ~ Enthoo Pro which won Case of the Year award in 2013.

-You only have one GFX card which from a gaming standpoint makes X99 platform undesirable. In this generation 3 way (4%) and 4 way (< 1%) SLI has very little to offer to gamers performance wise so X99 in gaming is a step down. OTOH X99 will help in rendering.

-As for Storage, I'd use SSHDs in either case. We put them in every gaming build and every CAD / Workstation build.

-As for the 980s, MSI is the fastest and Gigabyte next

-The Asus IV Extreme won the "Most Likely to fail" title with a 9.65 failure rate and 8.8% over the last two 6 month reporting periods.... it measures returns after 6 to 12 months usage so returns on the aren't in yet but according to newegg, negative reviews (1-2 eggs) are up 50% since the IV

The X99 WS has 30% of users giving it just 1 egg

- You'll need 4 x 4Gb or 4 x 8GB in the 5830k build... In X99 I;d use the Mushkin 2800s as reviewed here compared against the competitors 3000's
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mushkin-redline-frostbyte-994206f-ddr4-2800-16gb-quad-channel,4069-2.html

Despite Internet myth, fast RAM will get you up to 11% more fps in gaming, more than that in minimum fps especially with mutiple cards

In a Z97 build the Mushkin 2400 CAS 10s have the best timings on the market

-You have no use for a 1000 watt PSU w/ just 1 of any card ...

-Twin 980s needs a 750-850 tops... twin Titans will use 1000

I haven't seen the Titan X reviewed as yet for rendering... might have some suggestions if I can find some
 

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I'd invest is a custom loop (130$+). CUDA cores are also really good for rendering from my knowledge.
 
I think your friend gave you good advice, at least on the cpu.

For gaming, the faster cores of the 4790K will prevail.

For multithreaded apps, the choice is closer, but I think the 4790K cores will be faster and overcome any differences in heavy multithreading.

Fast ram makes little difference. More ram might make a difference if you are into heavy multitasking.

I would avoid liquid cooling.

My canned rant on liquid cooling:
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You buy a liquid cooler to be able to extract an extra multiplier or two out of your OC.
How much do you really need?
I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler like a Noctua NH-D15 or phanteks can do the job just as well.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
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I suggest a noctua nh-D15 or phanteks with dual 140mm fans.
Your pc will be quieter, more reliable, and will be cooled equally well

Since budget is no issue, Get the titan X It will overwhelm any game and do a good job on 4k gaming.
It gives you the future option to add a second.

sli titan x will only need 850w. It is not wrong to overprovision a bit.
I might suggest this tier 1 Seasonic X850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151108
Here is a list of tiers:
https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/f/135081/t/45344.aspx?Redirected=true

 
Latest THG article I could find
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-7.html

-AutoDesk Inventor ran competitively on GTX, Titan and Quadro platforms
-Maya ran well on Quadro platforms,\moderate to terrible on GTX and Titan
-Solidworks ran well on Quadro platforms, did not run on GTX and Titan
-Catia ran well on Quadro platforms, terrible on GTX and Titan
-Ensight ran competitively on GTX, Titan and Quadro platforms
-Lightwave ran well on Quadro platforms, terrible on GTX and Titan
-Pro/Engineer ran well on Quadro platforms, terrible on GTX and Titan
-iray and 3Ds max ran best on Titan followed by GTX and Quadro about half as fast

As for gaming related tests....
-Heaven, Tropics and Sanctuary ran well on GTX and Titan and GTX, Quadro was waaaay behind

So hence your dilemma ....

a) you can game better on the Z97 platform w/ GTX but animation efforts will be dismal or will not run
b) you can animate better on X99 platfor, w/ Quadro, but gaming performance will be blah.

The Titan X may offer some compromises here but I haven't seen anything yet showing such.

You'd be better off building two separate boxes for say $2300 (gaming) and $2700 (animation)
 
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hey there well its nice to see a similar post i once wrote 1 year ago...well ok lets see if i can describe it properly, cause i bought $5000 PC myself for same purpose as You.

(Look I am still a student I am not a professional Artist, I may not be accurate at describing but I will try to help & sorry for bad english)
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For - CPU = In my Opinion Having the most expensive CPU in market is the Best decision there is...that is wat i think cause 3D rendering work and new
generation gaming pushes the CPU to there limit. And more importantly Zbrush,Maya and Blender...these all software will use all the CPU u got
so i would Definitely tell you to buy the high End Processor.... Intel core i7 5930K is a good choice buy it......rendering will be faster.

Side note: the CPU can be overclocked thus more better and faster Render.
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For - GPU = Well Look GTX Titan X is good high end card for the whole year 2015 but bad part about it is that it does not have a Dual Precision as the Last
GTX Titan series had..........the Dual precision this time on the Titan X is lower then before but single precision is much better....
Maya,zbrush and all other 3D modelling software will use 2 things that is CPU+RAM.
But with each newer updated and more 3Drd party software & plugins GPU are now being utilized more and more.

Well GTX Titan is good go if u are using Unity,Unreal Engine and similar engines......

Conclusion on if buying GTX TItan X or not:

In my Opinion YES BUY IT! Why? cause its good card if u want to be future proof.......+Plus good thing is single Precision render and gaming will be flawless with 4k output also Oculus VR Rift will not lag on this card cause this card is high end.

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For RAM = This will sound uncommon but I prefer myself a 32GB RAM or Above cause thats wat a multitasker and a 3D developer needs!
You will be using multiple application and user 4k Resolution Texture so usage will be above 12GB so 16GB is a risk so no don't do it!
32GB is the answer to flawlessness! Get any 32GB RAM that Runs above 2166MHZ with low timings :)


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My PC SPECS BELOW:
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*MotherBoard=> ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition.

*Processor=> intel Core i7 4960X Processor LGA 2011 ~ (Now Overclocked at 4.2Ghz)

*Cooling Compounds=> Corsair H100i + 6 more fans to filter fans for the Cabinet.

*Cabinet=> Cooler Master Storm Stryker White Cabinet.

*RAM=> G.Skills 32GB(8GBx4pieces) RAM-DDR3-2400 - Quad Channel.
~ Model No.F3-2400C10-8GTX.

*Operating System (O.S)=> Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Edition.

*PSU(Power Supply Unit)=> Corsair TX 850W Enthusiast Series V1.

*HDD=> Seagate Barracuda 500 GB +Seagate Barracuda 1 TB + Western Digital 2TB Green.

*GPU=> ASUS GTX TITAN - X coming soon on MAY 14th 2015 :D
my 560Ti died.

*Monitor=>ASUS PB298Q Ultra Wide 29”Inch-AH-IPS 2560x1080 LCD Monitor.

 

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Thanks guys, for all these detailed and very good comments. Gave a lot better perspective and how things work. I'm very close to be able to make my final decision, I just need to do a little more research on my own. Once again, much obliged for using your inputs and time!
 
Yes, your problem is you just can't do both well on any single build. If animation was a sometime thing, I would say do the Z97 build because overclocked the 4970k beats the overclocked 5830k.

A great gaming machine will cost you $1800 and be 50% faster than a GTX 980 and faster than a Titan X .... that leaves you $3200 for a Animation Build.

$1,800 Gaming Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($161.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($100.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($339.00 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($339.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Other: Swiftech H-240-X ($150.00)
Total: $1814.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-28 11:38 EDT-0400


$3000 Animation Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($582.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Krait ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($243.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($699.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($100.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 6000 6GB Video Card ($854.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Other: Swiftech H-240-X ($150.00)
Total: $2967.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-28 11:54 EDT-0400
 
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What kind of motherboard would you recommend with WI-FI & Bluetooth in both builds?