i5-4690k VS FX-9590

Openupitsdave · Mar 30, 2015

chewing my nails off trying to decide which one to get...Price is not an issue as they are only $20 difference.

I like the single thread performance of i5 but the OC of the 9590 is crazy...

Im not a huge gamer and its been ages since I got into a nice looking PC game...Which would be nice for a change... How much better will the AMD be for games?

I know I need to OC the AMD to make it worth anything and that basically means I would add a 212 EVO cooler, and maybe an extra fan to my setup...I dont want to spend too much on OCing...

(Hows an OC'd i5 4690k do against and OC'd AMD 9590 btw?)

Sorry if my post is a little scattered...im just getting my thoughts out...I really cant decide... CPUBoss says I should get the i5: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-FX-9590

What do you think?

Sakkura · Mar 30, 2015

The FX-9590 is a highly overclocked FX-8350/8320, so there is practically no overclocking headroom left. The Core i5-4690K will overclock much better.

XiPH3R · Mar 30, 2015

even though the fx 9590 may have a whooping 8 cores but its a lot slower than the i5 4690k in games. the i5 has 4 faster cores compared to the slow 8 cores of the fx 9590. btw you will need a very good cooler for the fx too like an h80i or something. a 212 evo will not be able to cool the cpu enough for a stable oc.
So its better to go with the i5. its a lot faster in games and has a good upgrade path too

Darkbreeze · Mar 30, 2015

I wouldn't get either one. The Xeon E3 v3, which has versions that are similar in price to the 4690k, has the same single thread performance but also has eight threads, which makes it a dangerous gamer and a much better performer at other kinds of threaded tasks. Think i7 with no integrated graphics, because that's what it is.

If you look at a standard fx 8320 vs the 9590, the 8320 isn't far behind:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/698?vs=1289

Now look at the 8320E@4.8Ghz compared:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1403?vs=1289

Now look at the 4770k compared, which is older Haswell, not Haswell Refresh, and it wallops it in most scores:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/836?vs=1289

Consider the Xeon is only twenty bucks more than the i5, and uses only 80w compared to 225w on the 9590, it's almost a no brainer.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/compare/amd-cpu-fd9590fhhkwof%2Cintel-cpu-bx80646e31231v3%2Cintel-cpu-bx80646i54690k/

john TJ · Mar 30, 2015

the i5 would be better on performance basis there is only a small margin of difference , and the amd chip runs more hotter and VERY power hungry ,
so summing up the 4690k would be better over all
4690k vs fx 9590

Sakkura · Mar 30, 2015

Darkbreeze :

The Xeon cannot be overclocked, so an overclocked 4690K will outperform it in games.

synphul · Mar 30, 2015

True, the 1231v3 xeon is around $25 more than the 4690k but a more fair comparison might be the 4590 which is also a locked core cpu. The price spread then becomes about $50.

mrhippo900 · Mar 30, 2015

First off, Xeon is out of the question because they are locked CPUs. Second, single core performance goes to Intel. While the 9590 is highly overclocked you will end up paying a lot more money because you will need a liquid cooler. The way I see it. Devils Canyon is the way to go

Darkbreeze · Mar 30, 2015

Sakkura :

No, it won't. Overclocking the 4690k and 4790k brings little difference to performance in game titles in most cases, unless the title is more cpu intensive than other titles, in which case, except on those titles that rely on single threaded processing which is growing scarcer and scarcer, the four extra threads on the Xeon more than makes up for that.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/5

synphul · Mar 30, 2015

Is that a wrong link? I'm seeing the 4690k keeping up with the i7's in all those titles.

Sakkura · Mar 30, 2015

Darkbreeze :

The majority of games don't benefit from more than 4 cores/threads, and Anandtech shows the overclocked CPUs performing best overall - with the Core i5 matching the Core i7 (and thus beating any Xeon E3 on the market). Toss in some more CPU-demanding games, like Wildstar, and the advantage would be more noticeable. Not a huge difference overall, but when you're getting better performance for less money, that's a good thing.

Openupitsdave · Mar 30, 2015

Thanks lot bros! I got a lot out of this thread for sure...

Was considering the Xeon 1231v3 because it's only $10 more than the i5 4690k, but if it cant be OC'd then forget it... It has 8 threads but ill already be in the market for a new cpu by the time 8 cores will be needed... thats the way I see it anyways..

My next question would be: Is there any processor that will be cheaper and out-perform the i5 4690k + costs of OCing?

mrhippo900 · Mar 30, 2015

Openupitsdave :

Not that I can think of. Devils Canyon is the best i5 right now.

synphul · Mar 30, 2015

The costs of oc'ing an i5 are no worse than oc'ing an fx 8xxx/9xxx. You're still looking at a suitable motherboard and better than stock cooler and i5's don't really seem to suffer the same kind of heat issues the fx 8 core do. Motherboard price is pretty much dependent on brand and what features you want. There are z97 motherboards on the cheap end for around $80-$100, when you start paying more you're looking at different features. How many sata headers it has, usb ports, premium audio etc. If you have no need for 8 sata headers or dual lan ports then there's no reason to go with a premium $200+ motherboard.

The fx 8 core likely need larger air coolers at bare minimum or better yet water cooling for max oc (to be expected, they've got 8 cores putting out heat). A decent air cooler is plenty for an i5, the physical limits will usually be reached before thermal throttling becomes a problem. By decent, referring to something like the cryorig h5, phanteks 120mm coolers and so on. Even the cryorig h7 would probably suffice, the 212 evo is more of a budget cooler and does really well all things considered but is more suited to mild overclocks. Somewhere in the range of 4.2 and maybe up to 4.4 depending on your chip, if it can get to 4.4 with lower voltage, ambient air temps etc.

Openupitsdave · Mar 30, 2015

Sorry I mean Is there a non-OC processor that would be cheaper than an i5 + OC parts?

synphul · Mar 30, 2015

There are locked core i5's as well like the 4460 and 4590. They're usually around $15 different from one another with the 4460 being cheaper. Speeds are slightly different, the 4460's stock/turbo speeds are 3.2ghz/3.4ghz while the 4590 is 3.3ghz/3.7ghz. If you had no plans to oc now or in the future you could go with an h97 motherboard. I don't believe they support sli though which may or may not be an issue. Depending how long you plan to keep the system sort of determines what features to look for on a motherboard, go too budget now and it might be limiting in the future. Some people just plan on buying a new board in the future anyway so it has little impact.

Darkbreeze · Mar 30, 2015

Openupitsdave :

The whole point is, it doesn't NEED to be overclocked. Neither the i5 nor the i7 show any substantial improvements on gaming scores when overclocked. Since the Xeon performs closely equivalent to both on gaming titles, it matter not whether it can be overclocked or not. Additionally, the Xeon and i7 CRUSH the i5's four cores on titles that ARE optimized for additional threading, AND on non-gaming applications that use multiple threads, the i5 can by no means keep pace with either the Xeon or the i7. So that means you get a chip that games just as well as the i5 does, overclocked or not, plus you get the stronger processing power given by four additional cores on tasks that CAN take advantage of the other four threads whether it be a cpu intensive title that's optimized for more threads or an intensive application.

Also consider, ALL of the gaming benchmarks you see are based on a gaming only load. If you also plan to record or stream gaming sequences, or do any kind of video editing, the i5, while strong and a good choice in any build, can never keep up with the i7 or Xeon in those scenarios.

Plus, depending on the motherboard you go with, the Xeon E3 CAN be overclocked in a limited fashion and DOES also have the same turbo features that the other chips have, which can also be tweaked as well.

Sakkura · Mar 31, 2015

Darkbreeze :

That's just not true, you just have to find a game that is actually CPU-bound. I promise you it makes a significant difference in games like Wildstar.

synphul · Mar 31, 2015

I think it just depends on the game. Some games aren't cpu bound and it doesn't matter if it's a locked i5, unlocked i5, xeon or i7, the fps are similar. A few games get slightly better performance from the additional threading. In other games when comparing the stock 4690k (no oc) to stock 4790k (no oc) the i7 comes out on top. When benching those same games with both the 4690k and 4790k oc'd to the same frequency, they're toe to toe showing core speed to be a major factor in those games. So in those particular games core speed does matter and a locked cpu will fall behind. Like most anything else, even if concentrating on 'just' gaming it really boils down to the actual programs (or games) the person is looking to play since 3 different closely performing cpu's will trade blows in different areas.

Darkbreeze · Mar 31, 2015

Sakkura :

I guess you missed the part where I said:

unless the title is more cpu intensive than other titles, in which case, except on those titles that rely on single threaded processing which is growing scarcer and scarcer, the four extra threads on the Xeon more than makes up for that.

I haven't found any benchmarks where an overclocked i5 had significantly higher benchmarks than a stock i7, regardless of title. I don't call 3-5 FPS significant. If you have some data showing otherwise, I'd be glad to see it.

Sakkura · Mar 31, 2015

Darkbreeze :

Actually you have, you linked one yourself. F1 2013. And it's even in the minimum FPS, which is more important than average FPS. 13 FPS difference between the overclocked Core i5-4690K and the Core i7-4790. The difference would be significantly larger with a Xeon E3 since they run at lower clocks.

Darkbreeze · Mar 31, 2015

Well, I guess I stand corrected. So if you plan to play Formula 1 2013, only, then go that route. Otherwise, don't. Heh.

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