Does anyone think AMD's upcoming Zen architecture will be enough to contend with Intel?

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Up until the last year or so, I had been a fan of AMD since the Athlon 64 days. These last handful of years I cannot deny that Intel has had superior CPU's over AMD. I'm not a fanboy in denial of AMD (Owner of a i7 4790k at the moment) But it would be neat if this Zen Architecture is the comeback they've been waiting for..

My question is this, does anyone have any idea or even personal views on how these Zen will perform? Preferably with a calculated guess as to what they might entail performance-wise across gaming, multi-tasking, rendering/editing, multimedia etc etc.

I know they may turn out to be a flop or Intel may have something planned to compete/beat the AMD Zen. But I'd like to hear people's views on this nonetheless.
 

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I do not know a lot about the Zen architecture but it is very interesting. I personally think that AMD Zen will be rivaling Intel although I think that Intel will come out with some counter for the new Zen architecture. Though I do agree that as of now Intel is does pack more punch.
 

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I'm very curious to see what they come up with to contend with Intel's Smart Cache, Hyperthreading and overall core performance. I've read they will have something similar to Hyperthreading (not too sure yet) and the cores will have their individual l2 cache and up to four cores can share the same pool of l3 cache so if there are 16 cores for example, 4 sections of l3 cache each with 4 cores drawing from those resources.

 
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I research CPU/GPU hardware about 20 hours per week. I am a Unified Communications specialist so I need devices that use a small power envelope but pack a large amount of video processing capability. Intel has the low power envelope and AMD has the video capability. It is no contest either way Intel has faster single threaded processing capabilities so the more cores they add the faster they go. It is like 10 to 20% faster dollar per dollar CPU wise with heavy power consumption advantage to Intel thanks to a small manufacturing node currently at 14nm vs AMD 28NM. AMD has a vastly superior GPU core "100% faster under any GPU bound test". but AMD does not use simultaneous single core virtualization "hyper Threading". This turns into a big disadvantage. Not because AMD cant do better but the primary platform they use "windows" does not efficiently use multiple cores, This makes for a problem as AMD does in fact have 8 core designs currently. Intel does not have this in the consumer space and it goes underutilized anyway. The trick is L3 cache which you will see AMD has none of in any of their processors. this is included in Zen. Zen will have up to 8 physical "logic" cores and two schedulers for each just like Intel, but it will have that GPU advantage as well as HSA "GPU no longer has to wait for draw calls from CPU" and can execute redundant CPU task without direction from the CPU. Windows 10 has both HSA and true multi-processor "can trigger to logic cores and schedule cores". If Intel cannot get down below a 14nm manufacturing process then AMD will leapfrog them for the first time in 10 years. Intel also does not support HBA yet, and AMD is first to market with that now. Think about a CPU and GPU simultaneously accessing memory that had a 8092MB bandwidth. if this all comes together like it appears to be AMD having the GPU tech they do will be in a position where they have no actual performance or efficiency competition. But Intel will continue to dominate thanks to Contra Revenue "giving CPU's to Vendors to keep competition out of the market"

If Zen comes out it will be a game changer, provided OEM's actually use it.
 

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That was not only helpful and detailed but it also gave me a perspective from a professional point of view.
I'm looking forward to seeing AMD's Zen being released more so now than before.
 

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Yeah, Mobile cpu's or two in one APU's seem to be more of a marketable product for every day people on the go. Discrete/desktop is more my interest any day.

 

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For laptops CPUs AMD already got the GPU part right.

For desktop CPUs they totally got the most critical part desperately wrong 4 years ago : The "performance per core" (in which I include the shared FPU concept).

And to make things worse, instead of fixing their mistake AMD publicly labeled their high tech product as being "good enough" : If I wanted my high tech to be "good enough", my TV would be a stereo CRT and my phone would have a ring dial instead of a screen.

You'll know right away where AMD is heading with it's Zen Architecture, depending on whether or not they are able to include those 3 magic words in their early announcements : "Performance Per Core".

Desktop enthusiasts may be a small part of the total market, but they are the ones making the trusted first-hand recommendations to the big part of that total market that surrounds them : Bother providing to that desktop enthusiast even a single dedicated power hungry niche desktop x86 CPU (feel free to throw out the GPU part), and he'll earn you one purchase triggering recommendation after another for your mainstream products.