Make a bootable ISO of my main hard drive

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Hi folks, does anyone know how to make a bootable ISO of my main hard drive, I’ve tried many different iso maker programs but none seem to have a wizard to make bootable happen, at the moment I clone my hard drive weekly just in case of a failure, it seems a bit of a pain and it would be nice to carry a customised bootable ISO version of my Windows 8.1, office and all my other favourite programs to a new pc and start where I left off.
Using Macrium Reflect at the moment to clone as this software has great reviews.
 
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First of all, spannermonkey, you are doing the absolutely right thing in creating a comprehensive backup of your entire system on a weekly basis. Don't let anyone dissuade you from that.

If the great majority of PC users followed your example probably 75% of the plaintive pleas for help we see in Tom's Forum would disappear. Just peruse this and similar "forum" requests for help and what do you see?...

"Helllllp! My hard drive apparently died. How do I get my data back?", or,
"I just installed the latest Microsoft update and now my computer doesn't even boot", or,
"I made that registry change XYZ suggested and now I'm getting weird messages from Windows", or,
"I installed that new Super-Duper Anti-Malware program that other users have...

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Only real way to do that is to have another physical drive, and create a full clone of that drive. You can't really make a bootable ISO of it.

Macrium Reflect, EasusTodo, Casper, Acronis True Image.

May I ask why?
 

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..... The more I think about it the more I'm wondering why... think I'm doing the right thing already, Cloning weekly!
another option would be Windows to Go?
 

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Windows To Go only counts if you have Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise. It is not available in other versions.
 
First of all, spannermonkey, you are doing the absolutely right thing in creating a comprehensive backup of your entire system on a weekly basis. Don't let anyone dissuade you from that.

If the great majority of PC users followed your example probably 75% of the plaintive pleas for help we see in Tom's Forum would disappear. Just peruse this and similar "forum" requests for help and what do you see?...

"Helllllp! My hard drive apparently died. How do I get my data back?", or,
"I just installed the latest Microsoft update and now my computer doesn't even boot", or,
"I made that registry change XYZ suggested and now I'm getting weird messages from Windows", or,
"I installed that new Super-Duper Anti-Malware program that other users have recommended and now all I get is a black screen",
"All of a sudden I'm getting that dreaded BSOD and my system no longer boots".
"I turned on my computer this morning and find that all my data is gone. How do I get back my precious photos and important files?
"I just learned my HDD failed and all my data is gone. What can I do?"

The list goes on & on, does it not? Does an hour, a day, a week pass where we don't see an enormous number of these and similar pleas for help?

You can make book that virtually all these PC users rarely, if ever, comprehensively back up their systems. Talk about playing Russian roulette with their PCs!

When all is said & done what better backup system can a PC user have than having at hand a HDD or SSD that is a precise copy of his or her day-to-day working HDD or SSD and, as such, contains the complete contents of that drive including the operating system and its configurations, all programs and applications, and all user-created data? In short - everything. So should the time come when the user has to resurrect his/her system because their working drive has failed or the system has become unbootable and/or dysfunctional because of a corrupted OS due to some malware or other software problem, the user will have the virtual instant means to return his/her system to its former completely functional state and do so simply & quickly.

Your problem, spannermonkey, is not with the methodology you're using in comprehensively backing up your PC system, i.e., the disk-cloning process, but with the disk-cloning program you're using. Those freely available disk-cloning programs, e.g., the Macrium Reflect Free program, serve a useful purpose for users who are exclusively interested in a "one-shot" disk-cloning operation usually involving cloning an old HDD to a new larger HDD or SSD. Those programs are simply not designed for performing routine frequent disk-cloning operations as a comprehensive backup tool. Simply stated, they're too damn slow. As you correctly put it, "it seems a bit of a pain".

But with the right type of disk-cloning program and the right type of attitude (as I will explain) the advantages of disk-cloning in maintaining up-to-date bit-for-bit copies of your PC system are enormous.

So let me introduce you to the disk-cloning program I use (and have been using for more than 10 years) - the Casper program.

Let me say at the outset that I am not associated with the developers of the Casper program in any way, shape, or manner. I have no financial interest in the development or marketing of this program. I make this point because since I'm a "zealot" for this program I've been accused of having a commercial interest in the product.

The program is a commercial product and it's not free. It costs $49.99. AFAIK it's available only from its developer - http://www.fssdev.com

The program is extremely user-friendly with an easy-to-understand interface and straightforward design. No "learning-curve" of any consequence is necessary.

But the chief advantage of Casper and the primary reason I strongly recommend this program is because of its rather extraordinary speed (in comparison with other disk-cloning programs) in undertaking its disk-cloning operations when the program is used routinely and frequently. That last phrase is crucial - the program's true value is realized ONLY when the user employs the program on a frequent basis.

The program's disk-cloning speed makes the program an ideal vehicle for a user to maintain up-to-date comprehensive backups of his/her ENTIRE system since the user now has a strong incentive to do so because he/she knows it will take only a short period of time to complete the disk-cloning operation. As an example, I back up my PC systems at least 3X a week, sometimes even daily. It usually takes me under two minutes to complete a disk-cloning operation - frequently under a minute when I clone on a daily basis. Naturally the volume of data that's cloned, the user's system, the types of drives involved in the disk-cloning process will all have a bearing on the expenditure of time to complete the disk-cloning process. But I can assure you that Casper's disk-cloning speed blows away every other disk-cloning program I've used.

I wish the developer would have available a trial version of the current Casper 8 program. Unfortunately (at least the last time I checked) a 30-day trial version is available, however, it's the version 6 and that version does not really give one the true "flavor" of the current version.
 
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Thanks Artpog, just purchased Casper 8, performing a secondary SmartClone now in half the time, macrium reflect let me down just this morning when my main machine was stuck in a boot loop, Windows said the clone it made yesterday was corrupt, managed to restore it to a 4 day old restore point so not all lost... thanks for the great advise, cheers pal.
 
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And if you continue to clone your day-to-day working HDD or SSD on a weekly basis as you have been doing you will find that Casper's disk-cloning operation will complete even faster. And I would hope that you would even consider more frequent clonings of your source drive - say, twice a week, or dare I say it? - daily.

Because of Casper's built-in speed let me quickly mention another valuable use for using the program. BEFORE making any significant changes to your system, e.g., configuration changes, adding or modifying (or maybe even deleting) major programs from your system, reorganizing partitions, etc., FIRST clone the contents of the involved drive. Then you can play around with either the source or destination drive to determine that the system hasn't been compromised or screwed up by whatever changes you may have made. And if it has? No problem. You have intact a perfectly functioning system at hand without needing any "recovery" type process to return you to your formerly functional system. I can't tell you how many times over the years that saved me (and other Casper users!) from grief because we made unwise system changes or installed new or modified programs that played havoc with our systems.
 

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ArtPog, I think you've broken me down...:) I'm about to buy the 3-pack ($70). And at least of today, they do have a 30 day trial of v.8 on their website.
 

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Hi, "Casper 8.0 Family Value Pack Get Casper 8.0 for use on up to 3 household PCs for one low price" $69.95! good value.. Hmmm... I rushed into buying a single licence for $49.95, well spotted USAFRet. wonder if ArtPog gets a cut? lol.
 


Thanks for alerting me to the availability of the Casper 3-user "Family Value Pack" for $69.95. For the life of me I can't remember if they've ever previously offered this purchasing option. In years gone by they did offer a "one-day once-a-year" promotion for a single copy of Casper @$25. instead of the usual $49.95 price.

I think I'm also going to purchase a Family Pack that I can use for gifts to friends/family.

And thanks for informing me about the availability of the v8 30-day trial edition of the current Casper program. I note the "build" shown is 4610; the build for the current commercial version is 4612. I'm guessing it's actually the identical version of the commercial version however because it's slightly crippled (did you notice the restriction?) it bears a different build #.

And if spannermonkey is reading this...No, I don't "get a cut". I assume his remark was in jest; at least I trust so.
 

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Hi, I'm having problems with the cloned drive I tested this morning, stuck in another boot loop, this only seems to happen after the second SmartClone mode has finshed, tested yesterday after its initial first clone and all was great! my pc seems to have a problem with the "saving things that have changed feature" of smartclone, can you let me know how you get on, thanks.
 
I note your query seems to be directed to USAFRet but let me take a stab at answering it...

1. Are both your source & destination drives internally-connected in your system, or is the destination disk a USB external HDD (USBEHD)? If the latter, are you using a USB external enclosure to house the HDD or are you using one of those SATA-to-USB gizmos?

2. Apparently the first time you used Casper for the disk-cloning operation everything went well, right? Following the disk-cloning operation the destination disk booted without incident and functioned just fine - that's right, isn't it?

3. So the next day you tried booting again to the cloned drive, but this time it didn't boot because it was "stuck in another boot loop". What exactly does that mean? Did you get a BSOD or some Windows error message during the bootup?

4. Was the source disk (your usual boot drive) disconnected at the time? If not, was it necessary to access your BIOS/UEFI boot priority order to effect a boot to the destination drive?

5. I assume that you did not undertake a second disk-cloning operation following the initial one yesterday. Is that right?

6. And your source disk functions without any problems?

 

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Hi ArtPog, sorry I offended you with the getting a cut comment, let me assure you that was the last of my intentions and I apologise to cause you to feel otherwise, sorry pal.
Since my last comment, I have a fresh new Windows 8.1 and all is working great, Thanks again, guess I had a virus or something, I now backup (clone) at 6pm everyday and made use of the desktop shortcut method of cloning before I play with any new software or hardware, which I do frequently.... 12 minutes for a full backup WOW! compared to AOMEI Partition Assistant Pro, which took me through re-booting into its own dos program and 4 hours of down time... thanks again mate.
Boot Loop, blue screen with the :) on, it wasn't there long enough for me to read it.. then re-booted and the same again, literally a flash!
 
Believe me I was not offended in the least. I'm glad to hear everything is now working fine with the Casper disk-cloning program, however, frankly I'm surprised to hear that it's taking so long (12 min) to complete the disk-cloning operation assuming you're disk-cloning every few days or so.

Refresh my memory - I know you're working with Win 8.1, but tell me a few details re the system you're working with, specifically the CPU, the source & destination HDDs (I assume you're not working with a SSD?), and most especially the total amount of data that you're cloning. Also, how is the destination drive connected in the system during the disk-cloning operation - internally? - externally (USB)? Thanks.
 

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Hi, all internal, pretty much all hi spec, SanDisk ssd's, i7 4930K, 16GB ram, NVidia GTX780Ti,.. but I'm cloning to a regular Hard drive.. I cant see that making a difference? All my data personal wise is stored on my D-Link server and duplicated using raid1, Documents, Video, pics... even my desktop icons, so all I'm cloning is Windows, Ms Office, and a few choice programmes on a 118GB SSD to a 149GB HDD.
 
I assume that destination drive is a 160 GB HDD, right? Does it have a SATA interface or a EIDE interface?
In any event I think that may be the bottleneck since routine/frequent cloning of your 118 GB SSD should take considerably less time than 12 minutes.
The HDD is connected internally? If not, can you so connect?
 




I trust the OP will pardon me if I direct this message to you since you previously indicated some interest in the Casper disk-cloning program we previously discussed.

After you recently informed me (in another thread) that the Casper 8 Trial Edition was now available (rather than the heretofore version 6) I downloaded & installed the program to test it. (Thanks for letting me know about the v8 trial edition of the program.)

I thought you might be interested in the results of a brief test.

My source drive was an older San Disk 120 GB SSD (actual capacity 111.69 GB) containing the Win 7 OS with a total of about 95 GB of data.

My destination drive was a nine-year-old Seagate 320 GB HDD (actual capacity 298 GB).

The initial disk-cloning operation took just about 10 minutes. Because of the "restriction" built into the trial edition of Casper after the completion of the disk-cloning operation the destination drive contained a partition of 111.69 GB (the actual disk capacity of the source drive). The remaining disk space of 186.30 GB was unallocated. So, of course, the entire contents of the source drive had been cloned to the Seagate HDD. Anyway, using Disk Management it takes about 5 seconds to extend the partition so that all the unallocated disk space is utilized. Thus the destination drive contains a single partition of 298 GB which, of course, is its actual disk space capacity. Why Casper imposed this "restriction" in the trial version is a mystery to me since it's so simple to overcome. Anyway the commercial version does not contain this restriction.

As a further test, I subsequently recloned the source drive to the same destination drive. Just for giggles I added a couple of files to the source drive and deleted a couple of other files. This time the disk-cloning operation took one (1) minute to complete. I repeated the disk-cloning two more times, each time adding a file or two and deleting a couple of files, and again, the disk-cloning operation completed in just about one minute. This points up an enormous advantage of Casper in that it's an ideal vehicle for PC users in that it can create comprehensive backups of one's system with great speed when used on a routine/frequent basis.

And, BTW...the cloned USBEHD is bootable even when connected as a USB device.

I thought you'd be interested in the preceding. I would hope you would download/install the Casper trial edition and let me know what you think of the program.

 

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I didn't recommend the Casper trial, specifically because of that partition size restriction. Just another speed bump on the way to success.
Can be worked around, but another step to perform.

And yes, I bought the Family 3 pack (along with 2 new WD Green drives specifically for this), and have my main PC and the HTPC/server box happily backing up as needed.
Have to get the wifes PC into the mix. Yardwork and trying to buy a used riding lawnmower has intruded into the timespace.

Nice to know how the Casper trial works.