Best graphics card $50-$150 (probably off ebay or Tigerdirect) for 2009 HP Slimline s3710t considering its hardware limitation

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Hello Tom's Hardware Community,

I had posted this in a forum, but I think this is the correct spot. This is the first question I have posted on this website. I have found answers to other computer questions that I have had using this website and have always been appreciative that there are people out there willing to answer questions to somethings that may be trivial to others with technical expertise in this forum.

The question I have involves a graphics card upgrade to the current computer (HP Slimline s3710t) that I use at my desk for law school and for leisure. Before too many jump in and say to throw it out, give it to charity, or use it as a server, I would like to say that I use this computer as a back up to my laptop, a media device for my LCD television, and for the occasional Frogger for Win95 or Doom3 or SimCity 4. What I would really like to do is not really "keep up with the Jones's" as the computer is out dated and most money would be best spent on a new build, but to install a better graphics card to keep it from being too outdated. I want to run it into the ground, take the better parts that were put in it, put those older parts in a new build and run those parts into the ground, and so on and so forth.

This computer was a hand-me-down with some nicer hand-me-down components. A friend didn't want it as it was a Vista with probably a fried PSU or motherboard. I figured it was the PSU and I had another friend give me his old one; now it works fine. He was going to upgrade the CPU to an Intel Xeon X5460 3.16GHz before it failed. He had bought the used chip off Ebay and it came separately with the this "boat anchor" (as he put it) when he gave it to me. He said this 771 socket CPU will fit in the 775 socket motherboard with an adapter and modification. I ordered the adapter for four bucks and might try it out (Worth a shot, since I have nothing invested other than time in this thing; I also did some research and the whole thing looks plausible for a performance boost - http://www.overclock.net/t/1431723/mod-lga775-support-for-lga771-xeon-cpus ).

The computer's specifications are as follows (let me know if there is any other information I need to add; anything I don't state is probably its stock specifications):

-Windows 8.1 ("free" because of enrollment in school)
-64 GB SSD main drive (added from a failed laptop of mine)
-500 GB secondary drive (original hard drive - all files backed up in another back up device)
-750 Watt Corsair Power supply connected with an adapter (outside of computer case, given to me from a friend who moved onto an even bigger power supply - he likes his fancy games and engineering programs)
-4 GB RAM - 2x 2GB DDR2 (stock)
- Sata II PCI card put in PCI 1x slot (for a DVD drive, when I moved the SSD and secondary drive over to the only two sata II plugins in the motherboard)
- CURRENTLY but looking to replace with Xeon X5460 3.16 GHz - but it has a Core 2 Duo E 7400 2.8 GHz

-LAST the thing I was looking to replace - a GeForce 9300 GE at 256 MB DDR2 dedicated video, graphics card - with HDMI and DVI out

Here is a link to the motherboard Specs - http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01357110
It's an Irvine HP by FOXCONN, 1 PCI x1, 1 PCI x16, Sata II, DDR2 ram

I think with the Xeon chip installed, the video card is what bottlenecks the system.

Is there any ideas for what could fit in this case to upgrade this system?

I have only 5 dollars personally in this computer, and maybe was thinking of putting $50 to $150 in it for the graphics card (If its too much for the computer, I wouldn't mind too much as when this computer fails I'd put it in another). It's a slimline so there's not too much room, and I think it's 1.0 PCI x16 slot (not sure on the 1.0 - I'm sure it's a x16 slot) with a PCI x1 slot right next to it. The reason I want a better graphics card is in case I venture out and want to play a 2010 computer game and so that I can run this as long as possible for legal database research, email, PDF's, and a game or too. I plan on keeping her until she quits. Thanks for the help and let me know if there is anything else I need to add.
 
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This is probably your best and most powerful option, in your price range, although it's right AT the extent of your price range. It's a single slot card so fitting shouldn't be a problem, and, it's even only about half the height of the PCI bracket. It also has significantly more performance than the dual slot GTX 750 I was looking at earlier, and is only about twenty five bucks more than that card was, which is worth it all things considered. It's also not likely to create much issue with bottlenecks considering your current CPU but would still be viable even if you upgraded later to something a little newer.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127836



And, it's a lot more powerful than your current card...
Pathetic... The processor cannot be changed to anything good. I hate the chipset, sorry if that was a bit mean.
As for the upgrade to Xeon, I would suggest getting a Intel 5500 motherboard instead; it's cooler and faster in a significant way compared to the older Core-based Xeon.
The PSU is not too good, so keep that until you can build a computer. And I will get a GTX 750 Ti with this.
 
Is there room for a dual slot (Width. Doesn't actually use two slots) card that's not taller than the PCI bracket? Since the card is not taller than the PCI bracket, the height of the card I have in mind should work with that slimline case, but I don't know if you have restrictions on the width.
 


Those kind of comments are neither necessary, nor appreciated here. Really, it's exactly what we don't need from members. It makes everybody and the forum in general look bad. Especially when the OP specifically, and nicely, asked that replies not contain suggestions like that.
 

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Thank you for the quick and thorough reply. Sorry for my delay, I had to set up a DropBox account to show the pictures in this forum unbeknownst to me. I'm not good with those sort of things. Anyway, I know the graphics card is a tight fit next to the PCI x1 on the back port side of the computer, but the PCI x1 card (sata ports card) is not long so the rest the graphics card would have a lot of room towards the front side of the computer if that makes sense.

About the other comment, I have had plenty of people mention things like that with other things that I own, like my 1980 Chevette - "buy a new car, don't get new tires!" Haha, it's all right with me. I just like things that work and work like they were intended to work.

I am interested in the card you had mentioned. Even if it might not work with the current set up, I may try to make it work.

Here are three pictures I took, let me know if they don't show up and I can try a different method:

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/2ncc3le3ehe61wk/AABLMsCXNg-AA3b-Buny9h4Ba

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Thanks
 
This is probably your best and most powerful option, in your price range, although it's right AT the extent of your price range. It's a single slot card so fitting shouldn't be a problem, and, it's even only about half the height of the PCI bracket. It also has significantly more performance than the dual slot GTX 750 I was looking at earlier, and is only about twenty five bucks more than that card was, which is worth it all things considered. It's also not likely to create much issue with bottlenecks considering your current CPU but would still be viable even if you upgraded later to something a little newer.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127836



And, it's a lot more powerful than your current card.


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Wow, thank you very much for sending this information to me. Being that I haven't put any money in the computer, $150 seems very reasonable to have a computer that will keep up with my day to day tasks and still have enough power for some more taxing processes. Just to clarify, the CPU you were referring to in "create much issue with bottlenecks considering your current CPU" in the last comment, were you referring to the Intel Core 2 Duo E 7400 at 2.8 GHz that is currently in the motherboard or the quad core Intel Xeon X5460 at 3.16 that I plan to put in the motherboard? (maybe the difference in performance between the two is negligible)
 


Thanks for the reminder. See my post again. But yes, you're right that it's a bit mean. Sorry to the OP again.

And just to counter about the price, it's $115 currently for one, which may be a bit edgy, but far from it. For that price I could've recommended a R9 270.

And just a heads up, LGA 771 won't work with LGA 775 sockets. Sure it will fit, but there are 4 more pins LGA 775 needs in order to work in electrical terms. And the chipset does not support more than 2 cores.
 

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On the underside of the PSU the model number is - Model: 75-002019, but its name is a Corsair CX750M.

Also, when giving me the information about that specific graphics card, were you factoring in the CPU that is currently installed (Core 2 duo E 7400 at 2.8) or the quad core that I was planning to put in (Intel Xeon X5460 - quad at 3.16)? The only reason I was wondering, because if the Xeon would give me even more powerful graphics card options, I would look into it and maybe consider a higher price range. If you were referring to using the suggested card with the Xeon CPU or it doesn't really matter with either CPU, I would look into purchasing that card. I hope that made sense.
 


Either way, you'd be fine. No way that GPU is going to bottleneck either of those CPUs.
 
Ok, so the CX750M isn't the worlds greatest PSU. But it's far from the worst too. If you had a higher end system with an upper tiered graphics card, which I don't consider the 750 TI to be, then it might be an issue since we don't generally recommend using the Corsair CX, CS, VS or RM units with gaming cards or overclocking, and the Corsair models we DO recommend as ok for use with those types of systems are generally overpriced compared to comparable, or better, PSUs from competing manufacturers like Antec, Seasonic, XFX, EVGA, some of the Rosewill units (Capstone series) and Superflower. For future reference, since you seem like a pretty smart guy, in the event you ever need to BUY a PSU, have a read at the following article and take a look or bookmark the PSU tier list. We generally recommend Tier 1 and Tier 2 units as reliable for demanding systems, and Tier 3 units, like your CX750M, for more mainstream rigs.


How to pick the perfect power supply: http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2150235/choose-perfect-power-supply.html


PSU Tier list: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html#15349669
 

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Hey thanks for the information, I like the "in the event you ever need to BUY a PSU" (hahaha)- for a free computer and a free power supply, I figure even a third tier power supply and a God knows what tier computer, it don't think I got the bad end of the stick. I'll take this information on the PSU into consideration when I build another computer or receive the next hand-me-down that doesn't work. I appreciate the help. I won't be using the computer for high end gaming or Bitcoin mining (like the the second article mentions), so I think I will be good for now. I will let you know via this forum how the graphics card works on this HP computer. I'm confident it will be an improvement. Thanks.
 

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I just wanted to say thank you for your help. I ordered the card you recommended off amazon (newegg was sold out at the time) and installed it into my computer. It works great! When I had the previous card installed and I played a game or a HD movie, it was choppy. I just thought that was how old computers are, but with this card everything is smooth and it feels like I have a brand new computer. I really like it so thanks again. I installed that Xeon 771 CPU into this 775 motherboard with an adapter I bought off ebay, and this computer really zips along now.

I hope your advice and thread helps anyone else out who has an older, low profile PC.

Thanks
 

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Thank you for the input. I looked into what you had said, but I did find information otherwise. For 5 dollars and a free computer, I thought it was worth an experiment - at least for educational purposes, to try to install the 771 CPU into the 775 socket with the adapter. Luckily, it works and it works great. I'm sure this does not work with every motherboard but I looked up my specific motherboard in a forum about people that have been putting these 771 CPU's in 775 socket, and found mine to be compatible. I haven't had any problems thus far, but I appreciate the concern.

Thanks