Confused with CPU, Motherboard, GraphicsCard..

JoeBfLyin · Apr 14, 2015

I am using PCPartPicker to make my new computer (That I want to build)

This is the result, I don't know much but I did do alot of research on these parts and I'm still confused with the CPU, Videocard, MotherBoard, and the actual Case compatibility! (I heard some bad things about Asus)
I will post all of what I am getting together, tell me if you spot a big No-No.

(+-----I forgot to add It Is Going To Be Used For Heavy Gaming/OverClocking-----+)
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CPU

Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor
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CPU Cooler

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler

Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler
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Motherboard

Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
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Memory

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
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Storage

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
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Video Card

MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card
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Case

Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
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Power Supply

EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
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Optical Drive

Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
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Operating System

Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)
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WiFi(ed) connection

TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter
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Case Fan

Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan
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(EDIT)

Please note, I am very curious about the case, I don't know if the one I am getting will 1. Be compatible with the motherboard add-ons.

And 2. It looks like crap! >:/

Any suggestions on good low priced cases (Like not over 75-85$ Maybe?

) that look awesome?

Also I am wondering with the i7 4790k, is the GTX 970 GraphicCard level out with the i7 4790k? Or can it be better? Again, I want high FPS, but not over 1.6k. (I am at $1447.46 right now!)

One more thing, The power supply is 650W, the estimated WUsage is 366W. Will it be to much and fry my computers insides? or is it an better option to have slightly more Watts?
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Sorry for not being clear this first time.

And my bad for being a noob, but we all learn one way.

Alpha3031 · Apr 14, 2015

You don't need a wired net adapter or a sound card, that's included on your MB.

I'd also recommend a CRYORIG H7 or R1 (if you're willing to shell out a bit more) for the cooler.

Please fill in this form (link) and post the link to the part list here (through either "permalink" or the BB code markup, "[bb]" button) (saves me from rebuilding your list from this end, which could take a while.)

hang-the-9 · Apr 14, 2015

What is the system going to be used for? If not rendering video or for pro audio, you are over-doing the CPU and sound card. And you do not need the add-on cooler unless you are overclocking, which from your post it seems you will not be.

I suggest you look in the Systems part of the forums and look there for build suggestions for your budget. You will likely find a build that will save you hundreds and get the same speed.

JoeBfLyin · Apr 14, 2015

hang-the-9 :

Sorry, I updated that. It will be used for Heavy Gaming, as of right now I am using a i3 dell laptop, and gaming is limited to.. well.. Minecraft and a tiny bit of "The Forest" on poor graphics (and still have 13 FPS.. which isnt bad for a LT I assume?) And I want to get Battle field 4, GTA V, basically all the fun games. without lagging or playing on low graphics.

But basically, anything I really dont need, or do need and am missing will help if you could further(Maybe the graphics card isn't good or could be better since I am getting i7 4790k... this I am confused about!). Thanks for telling me about the soundcard and wired connection, saved me a hundred!

hang-the-9 · Apr 14, 2015

JoeBfLyin :

hang-the-9 :

Sorry, I updated that. It will be used for Heavy Gaming, as of right now I am using a i3 dell laptop, and gaming is limited to.. well.. Minecraft and a tiny bit of "The Forest" on poor graphics (and still have 13 FPS.. which isnt bad for a LT I assume?) And I want to get Battle field 4, GTA V, basically all the fun games. without lagging or playing on low graphics.

But basically, anything I really dont need, or do need and am missing will help if you could further(Maybe the graphics card isn't good or could be better since I am getting i7 4790k... this I am confused about!). Thanks for telling me about the soundcard and wired connection, saved me a hundred!

Check the Systems part of the forums, there are lots of builds there for every budget. For about $1,000 you can get a desktop that will run any game at least on medium if not on high.

Alpha3031 · Apr 15, 2015

What do you think of this?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG R1 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($81.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout with Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.95 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.79 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($34.79 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1595.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-15 00:24 EDT-0400

(edited: export's been messing with me)

It shouldn't drop below 60 FPS for anything.

Symbiote_IV · Apr 15, 2015

How about this to compare to alphas?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/znYdYJ

Main differences:
GFX cards -Similar power
Ram- Better
Case: Bigger
Motherboard: Very futureproof, compatible with high Mhz ram and quad sli/xfire
Bigger PSU - Is necessary with AMD gfx
Thats basically it.

Oh and its $100 cheaper.

But yeah this and Alpha's are certainly overkill for average 1080p gaming.

My FX 8320 and r9 290 handle all the games i play at 60 fps.

Alpha3031 · Apr 16, 2015

Symbiote_IV :

I disagree. CF 290s is a decent bit slower than SLI 970s and also SLI has been historically more consistent. Also, there's the temperature issue, and in Maxwell you can use MFAA and stuff like that. I agree that for 1080p OP can drop the second GPU though.

The RAM you chose isn't necessarily better. My RAM was single stick, meaning OP could drop another 3x8 GB of RAM in, has a CL of 8 (arguably more important for system RAM than bandwidth, remember, not using the iGPU), and runs at 1.35 V.

The SSD you picked is much slower than the 850 EVO. Even RAID 0 isn't going to fix that (unless we have magical-more-than-100% scaling) http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Kingston-SSDNow-V300-120GB/2977vs1892

Motherboard choice was interesting but I struggle to see the utility of CFX with current support, though that may change with DX12. I also notice that it's a Z87 motherboard.

Also, here's a decent cooler if OP doesn't want the Ultimate. CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)

Should perform around the same level as a NH-D14 or the H60 on Symbiote's build.

Symbiote_IV · Apr 16, 2015

Ok. This one is quite a bit better for around the same price.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8YjW8d

The difference between Z87 and Z97 is effectively nothing until you get to high end.
Reference: http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/z97-and-z87-difference-a-59.html

Also, is crossfire really not that effective? I plan to eventually get a new mobo to switch to intel, and pick up another 290 later, and then another when games start gettin rough, and eventually a fourth so my computer can be an oven. I guess id need a PSU before the second and a case before the third, if the z87 by evga even fits currently, i think it does.

And im shocked that the r9 295x2 is cheaper than 970 SLI.

Alpha3031 · Apr 16, 2015

Tad worried about the PSU there, after all, a single 295X2 did shut down a 1200W Enermax Platimax and blow up a AX860i (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-r9-295x2-1000w-psu,3907.html) neither of them bad PSUs. I think it'll pay to get something from tier one for an extra $50.

CFX (That's 4 cards) has almost no scaling, because of lack of software support and diminishing returns.

Symbiote_IV · Apr 16, 2015

Alpha3031 :

I wouldnt have put a 295x2 on a 860 w psu. But eh whatever. CFX is specifically 4 cards? cause im interested in 2 290s down the line, and from what ive seen the scaling from 1 to 2 is good, 2 to 3 is eh, 3 to 4 is wasting money.

Alpha3031 · Apr 16, 2015

CFX stands for CrossfireX, though a lot of people just use it to mean Crossfire (CF). 2 290s are good, but there isn't really much point in getting a 4xSLI or CFX capable Motherboard if you're on the Z97 platform.

Symbiote_IV · Apr 16, 2015

Ok. For OP:
I figured its time to stop screwing around with sli and stuff. If you want that, you can get the stuff later when its actually useful. but a 970 is plenty for now. So here is a solid build similar to yours.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yVLwXL

Alpha3031 · Apr 17, 2015

H7's around the same performance as a 120M, 250 GB SSD is useful if OP wants to put a game or two on it. Also, lower latency RAM.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK2 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($116.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.83 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.95 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.79 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.49 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1462.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-17 00:19 EDT-0400

(edited because promo was over on RAM)

Symbiote_IV · Apr 18, 2015

This whole thread is kinda ridiculous, OP hasnt responded for ever. But, heres another build cause we need more.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nT7MdC

Difference: 80$ cheaper, mostly the same.
-Ram is faster
-Motherboard looks cooler, may be better..
-Liquid cooled CPU

And there you have it.

Alpha3031 · Apr 18, 2015

^ Note that lower latency (i.e. CL7 @ 1600 MT/s = approx. 8.8 ns, CL 11 @ 2133 MT/s = approx. 10.3 ns) is more important for most desktop applications (better for dealing with occasional cache misses, only a few thousand times a second). Also, liquid cooling != always better, especially if you're talking about a 120 mm CLS vs a 120 mm tower cooler. The tower would cool just about the same, won't leak, and would be cheaper.

I don't see the price difference.

Oh, and um, @OP, you won't be able to get much more OC, even on the best cooler ever (whatever that may be, but almost certainly not something 120 mm), because the chip requires crazy voltages to push it past 4800 MHz.

Symbiote_IV · Apr 19, 2015

Oh this. Ok so here we are. Ram might be faster, or equal at least. Liquid Cooler is pretty good i believe now. Price is the same.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZypNFT

Alpha3031 · Apr 19, 2015

RAM was high voltage (over Intel spec), this has a better cooler. Motherboard is one that doesn't have too many bells and whistles, but is solid for overclocking.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6rrPHx

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/cooler_master_seidon_240m_review,12.html

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/henry-butt/raijintek-triton-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/6/

SkittishGaming · Feb 14, 2016

I would drop to a intel i5 6600k and go for a r9 390X same price but better preformance.

Alpha3031 · Feb 25, 2016

SkittishGaming :

I would think that there's a reasonable chance that OP is already done with this.

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