gtx 780ti vs gtx 970

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well just like the title says, I`m debating if i should get the 970 or the 780ti, price is not a problem because i have found both a 780ti and a 970 for the same price. The only real reason why I`m not getting the 780ti instead is because of the fact that it only has 3gb of vram... Whatever graphics card i get it will most likely be my graphics card for the next 3 years and there is a small chance that i end up SLIing whatever card i end up getting in the future. So, should i prepare for the future by getting better performance or by getting more Vram? Also before I forget, I WILL NOT be overclocking either of the gpu`s... I`ve heard the difference is very marginal in performance when not overclocked so i just thought I should add that just in case.
 
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If you have to choose then I would get the 780Ti as it's faster than the GTX 970. The only thing you're missing is a bit of VRAM which doesn't matter too much. You won't be able to max Star Citizen, it's designed for the top end GPUs of 2016 and beyond (Pascal, and they're continually going to upgrade graphics). You'll be able to run it but don't expect anything special.

I don't expect Pascal to be any different from any other GPU generation so I expect the high end Pascal's to be $500-700 with the flagship being $1000. There is no set release date for Pascal, it's just rumoured on Nvidia's roadmap to release mid-late 2016. VRAM shouldn't be an issue at 1080p for most games, usually disabling or lowering AA should fix that issue.

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Pascal is the next generation GPUs releasing next year which will destroy current tech in terms of performance.

3D Stacked VRAM meaning SLI stacks VRAM. So if you have a 32GB VRAM GPU (Pascal will have this) putting them in SLI will give you 64GB VRAM.
8-way SLI support
HBM VRAM which is 9x faster than GDDR5 with up to 2TB/s bandwidth
14nm FinFET technology which is a massive increase in efficiency from current 28nm
Approximately 4-5x faster GPU core performance over Titan X - 10x faster in scientific workloads
Support for 8K resolution and beyond.
NVLink allowing insane amounts of bandwidth thereby rendering CPU/GPU bottlenecking a thing of the past.

Costs for the GPUs will likely be around the US$500-800 range.
 
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sorry I couldn't get back faster, but yeah about the pascal thing i looked into it a little more the pascal seems like it is going to be absolutely flawless. That being said, I do think I`m still going to get either the 970 or the 780ti mostly because the card i have right now is making gaming very challenging, the lag is terrible. And I probably wont be able to afford the new pascal, my budget is about 550$, and i will probably have to wait a year or two before the price drops enough for me to afford one. So, I think im going to get the best card i can afford right now and run with it until it can no longer run the games I play at which point im probably going to get a pascal. So, between the 970 and the 780ti which one do you think is best suited to run the most current games(starcitizen) for the next 1-3 years? And by the way does anyone know the general prices of the pascals once they release and when in 2016 they are releasing?
 
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I would get and r9 290 but the price for me isn't worth it, its only 60$ cheaper than the 780ti i found and only about 20-30$ cheaper than the 970, and the 290 gets slightly worse performance from what I have seen. Right now im in the about 300-400$ price range since i haven't saved up enough for a 980 yet im basically stuck with either the 780ti or the 970, and as for the vram, is my main concern. From what I have seen the 780ti is better than the 970 performance wise but since whatever card I get will be my card for 1-3 years it could easily lack in the vram department so I just want to be sure I don't end up having to upgrade prematurely. And I don't know if this helps but I`m mostly upgrading so I can play star citizen when it releases, that is most likely the most graphically challenging thing I`m going to play since I mostly play GTA V on my xbox. So all in all what do you think is the best overall graphics card, the 970 or the 780ti? thanks for the responses!
 
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the 780 ti does perform better than the 970, however it consumes much more power, which also means more heat. this also leaves less room for overclocking, but you won't be anyway. so if you have a sufficient power supply, and good room in your case for it to breathe, the 780 ti would probably be your best choice. as for the VRAM, the 970 is actually slightly misleading with it "4 GB" and actually has 3.5 GB, with the last .5 running at much slower speed. it's an issue that doesn't really seem to affect performance, in my experience, but is still an issue. at 1080p, very few games will actually need the extra VRAM, but that is likely to change as time goes on, especially in three years from now.

check this out, you might change your mind about overclocking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZxpljkrsm8
 
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If you have to choose then I would get the 780Ti as it's faster than the GTX 970. The only thing you're missing is a bit of VRAM which doesn't matter too much. You won't be able to max Star Citizen, it's designed for the top end GPUs of 2016 and beyond (Pascal, and they're continually going to upgrade graphics). You'll be able to run it but don't expect anything special.

I don't expect Pascal to be any different from any other GPU generation so I expect the high end Pascal's to be $500-700 with the flagship being $1000. There is no set release date for Pascal, it's just rumoured on Nvidia's roadmap to release mid-late 2016. VRAM shouldn't be an issue at 1080p for most games, usually disabling or lowering AA should fix that issue.

So basically if you had to choose I would get the GTX 780Ti.
 
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Ok, thank you very much I think I`m going to get the 780ti and try to save up and get the pascal when the prices drop. I`m not super worried about max setting for star citizen i just need like 40-50 fps so I can actually fly in the arena commander and when the game comes out I can always sell the 780ti and scrape together some cash for the pascal. I was just worried that the extra gb of vram it puts my mind at ease. Thanks.
 
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I think I`m going to get the 780ti, the extra .5gb of vram doesn`t seem like it`s going to be worth it. And when it becomes a major problem I`ll probably sell the 780ti and try to get some money together for a pascal or something. Oh and i looked at the video and it was very helpful, it might convince me to overclock it since I already have multiple fans and a watercooled system, its a older model but it should do the job fine, it was top of the line 2-3 years ago. Thank you very much for your response btw, the extra gb of vram was really concerning to me it was super helpful having you explain it, thanks again!
 
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Some misinformation. The GTX 970 ACTUALLY has 4GB, except due to manufacturing differences between GTX 970 and 980 only 3.5GB on the 970 is really usable. It still has 4GB VRAM, except the last .5GB is quite slow but still faster than system RAM.
 
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right, that's what i meant. i can see how one could misinterpret what i was saying, though. thank you for clarifying it a bit more
 
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Ok, I`m sorry to come back and start bothering you again but I have a slight problem... I was just looking at a 780ti superclocked on newegg and I noticed that the core clock speed and the other clock speed of the 780ti we`re both much lower than a Zotac 970 that I found on new egg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500372&cm_re=zotac_970_amp-_-14-500-372-_-Product Do you think it`s better than the 780ti? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487103&cm_re=superclocked_780ti-_-14-487-103-_-Product And I kind of have one other problem, I started looking into 970`s from different brands and the best card I can seems to find based on neweggs specs listed for the graphics cards, is the Zotac but i heard that Zotac isn`t even the best graphics card producing company for the 970? I would love to get anyones advice on this little predicament.
 
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780Ti is still faster than a GTX 970. An 8800 GTS could be 1Ghz and my 270X could be 300mhz and the 270X would still destroy it. Clock speeds aren't the be all, end all, of performance. 780Ti's are apparently good overclockers anyway. EVGA make really good GTX 970s but 780Ti still beats it.
 
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Ok, thank you I think I`ll just stick with the 780ti since it seems to do better performance wise than even the best 970, I just saw the clock speeds and unknowling assumed that basically meant the 970 was an overall better card, thank you very much for enlightening me!
 
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