Installing internal solid-state drive as boot drive

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I thought I had started a thread a couple of days ago with this question, but for some reason it disappeared or never showed up to begin with. Anyway, I just bought a solid-state drive and would like to install it as my boot drive. I was told by someone that I would need to make changes in the BIOS settings as well as (possibly) re-partition the drives. Could anyone tell me how to do this? Here is the information on my computer and drive, if required:

Inspiron 580 desktop (2009)
Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit), Service Pack 1
Intel Core i3 550 @ 3.20 GHz
6 GB RAM

Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-75E250B/AM) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OAJ412U)

Many thanks for any assistance anyone can give.
 
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There SHOULD be an option in your BIOS to change the boot sequence of your drives. I know with my asus motherboard its a very simple drag and drop mechanism that shows up when the BIOS first opens. I've only used asus motherboard though so im not sure how other brands work.

 

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Is the Samsung 850 EVO empty? or does it have windows installed in it already?

If the SSD is empty and what you want is to make it your bootable device with the OS in it you have the following options:

1) clean install of windows in SSD (recommended)
2) Clone your old HDD into the SSD and then boot from the SSD.

I could walk you through with either option 1 or 2 and explain you step by step how to do this. But I need more information on exactly what your needs are.

 

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Thanks to both of you for responding, first of all.



It's (presumably) empty, as I just bought it and haven't even opened it yet. I have a Windows 7 disc that I use to re-install Windows occasionally (when things start to work slowly and poorly), so I can use that to install Windows 7 on the SSD and enter in my activation code... so that would be option 1 in your post. Also, I'll be putting the old internal hard drive (the current C drive) as a slave drive, using the second SATA connection - in case that's important for any reason.

Thank you for your help, entropy4money, and nice username by the way. :)
 

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Ok let's go with option one. I want you to understand that option one is a fresh install of Windows, which means you will have to manually reinstall all programs you want on the SSD and transfer all files you want to remain in the SSD. This is the cleanest and best way to get all performance out of the SSD, but I understand this doesn't work for some people, so they got with option 2 (cloning the hard drives). Due to the fact that the HDD has usually more storage capacity than the SSD, cloning the drives is a fairly challenging task, and could take much more time than simply doing a fresh clean install of the OS.

So option 1 is pretty simple.
-1 - Backup all data from HDD.
0 - Introduce the Windows installation disc in your optical drive.
1 - shut down your computer and unplug the power supply unit from the power outlet.
2 - unplug the HDD and plug the SDD in the same SATA port your HDD was located (this often avoids having to make any changes in the BIOS for booting purposes).
3 - Plug back the power supply unit and turn on the computer.
4 - Your computer should automatically boot to the CD since it won't find a boot partition for OS.
5 - If the computer doesn't boot to the CD and instead gives you a no OS found error, restart the computer and press the designated "System setup" key on the BIOS loading screen to go into the BIOS system setup. On System setup navigate to booting options and select your optical drive as your #1 booting option. Another way to do this is to select "Booting options" on the BIOS loading screen (usually F11) and then select the optical drive unit as the booting device.
6 - Install the OS.
7 - Remove the windows install CD and turn on your computer, it should load into windows with no problem from the SSD.
8 - Turn off the computer and unplug the PSU from the power outlet.
9 - Plug the HDD (slave drive) into a new SATA port.
10 - plug back the PSU and turn on the computer, it should boot into windows from the SSD.*1
11 - Make sure that the computer booted from the SSD, go into disk management, and format your HDD.
12 - Your'e done.

*1 In case the computer did not boot to the SSD, restart the computer. When BIOS loading screen appears hit the designated key to go into BIOS System setup, navigate to boot options, select your SSD as option #1.

Good luck!



 
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Yes, I do understand that I'll have to re-install all the old programs I want to keep. I've already made a screen capture of my current programs from the "Uninstall Programs" list. Since I store just about everything on external hard drives, I don't have to worry about copying much data, although I will have to copy a few things like my Firefox bookmarks, sessions, Tab Mix Plus settings, and a few documents and shortcuts that are currently on the C drive.

I have printed out your instructions and will be attempting the installation shortly. I'll reply again here after it's done, if I'm successful. If I never appear on the forum again, you'll know something went wrong. :)

Thanks again for your help, entropy4money.
 

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You can always log in to the forums from a smartphone. if something goes wrong just ask me and we'll fix it.

You're welcome.
 

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Oops... I forgot to buy the SATA cable, so I had to order one yesterday, after not being able to find it at the local stores.

I will attempt the installation after receiving it, hopefully within a few days. :)
 



Well, although I really don't want to upset your apple-cart, so to speak, if you've made up your mind to fresh-install the Windows OS (as entropy... has suggested) and then install all your programs & personal data, etc. currently on your HDD (not the most pleasant of tasks!), perhaps you might give consideration to undertaking a rather simple & straightforward disk-cloning ("data migration") process whereby in one fell swoop you would transfer the complete contents of your HDD over to your new SSD. Does that have any potential appeal to you?

If it does, and if certain conditions presently exist with respect to your current OS, you may be well-advised to undertake that "data migration" route. Those conditions are:
1. Does your present system function without any problems in that the system boots without incident and thereafter functions trouble-free?
2. Are you comfortable enough with your present system that you would have no qualms in having a bit-for-bit copy of that system transferred to your new drive?
3. Is the 250 GB disk-capacity of your new Samsung SSD sufficient to contain the TOTAL contents of your present HDD, the drive that you would like to transfer?

If your answers to the above are "yes" I would see no reason why you should not utilize a data-migration (disk-cloning) program to effect the transfer of data to your new Samsung SSD. Because you will be purchasing a Samsung SSD the drive will come with Samsung's Data Migration program. It's a particularly nice disk-cloning program for Samsung drives in that it's simple to use and quite effective from our experience with the program. Here's an outline of how you could use it...

(Before you begin ensure that the only drives that are connected in the system are the source & destination drives, i.e., your HDD & SSD. Uninstall any other storage devices such as a flash drive, USB external HDD, etc.)

1. With both your HDD & SSD connected boot the system. The system will, of course, boot to the HDD's OS.

2. Install the Samsung Data Migration program on the HDD. The program is included in the CD bundled with the Samsung SSD package.

3. Access the program and click Start.

4. The Source Disk (your HDD) and the Target Disk (your SSD) will be identified.

5. Click Start.

6. Click Yes when the confirmation message appears.

7. The disk-cloning process will begin. It can be a lengthy process depending upon the amount of data that's being cloned.

8. When the cloning process has successfully completed a message will appear to that effect.

9. Click Quit, then Shut Down.

10. After the system has been shut down disconnect the HDD from the system and boot to the SSD. Assuming all is well ensure that your new SSD boot drive is connected to the first SATA connector on the motherboard which will be designated either SATA 0 or SATA 1. The HDD can now be connected to any following SATA connector.

11. Presumably you're going to utilize the HDD as a storage/backup disk but with the SSD for a while to determine it's completely functional before making any significant changes in your HDD's data. Should any problems arise you would still have the HDD with all its data intact and you would still have the option fresh-installing the OS onto the SSD should it come to that.

So give the preceding process a try if you desire to have a precise copy of your old HDD on your new SSD.
 

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A fresh install will always get the best performance from your SSD... if it isn't much trouble, I always recommend doing the fresh install. I myself migrated from an HDD to an Samsung SSD. Samsung's cloning software the most user friendly cloning software I've seen around, however it didn't work in my case; it doesn't always work. I did end up cloning anyway (using clonezilla) simply because I could not do a fresh install as I didn't have the license key. If I could have done a fresh install I would have totally done it, it isn't that bad to do on an SSD and you'll get a clean installation.

He/she picked option #1. If he would have picked option #2 I would have suggested to try the Samsung's cloning software first of course. But option #1 gives the first performance, and option #2 SHOULD include defragging the HDD before cloning the drives, which could take a very long time using a good defragging software. And even after defrag it is not guaranteed that you will get the best performance out of your SSD. Not to mention that if the HDD is larger than the SSD (probably the case) he/she would have to shrink the HDD, delete or storage data somewhere else, etc... The samsung SDD cloning software does let you clone BIG to SMALL but you'll be deleting files at one step.

In short. About Samsung's cloning software.

User friendly? yes
Gives the user what he wants? most of the times
practical? hm.. maybe.
Optimal? No
 
Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Time & time again I read posters responding to this issue with statements like "it's always better to fresh-install the OS" rather than undertaking a disk-cloning (data-migration) process to transfer the contents of one drive to another drive. This is not to say that a fresh-install of the OS may not be warranted in certain circumstances. But I simply don't think it's appropriate to have this knee-jerk reaction that a fresh-install of the OS is always "better". One must consider the specific circumstances of the situation. We're all aware of what an onerous - even tortuous - process it can be manually installing programs and data to a new drive. If a user can avoid that process and the result will be a reliable fully-functional system created through a disk-cloning operation, so be it.

There is no empirical evidence that I'm aware of that mandates a fresh-install of the OS is always "better".

I'll reiterate my position as previously stated...
As long as certain critical conditions are present with a user's system, I see no problem in undertaking the data migration (disk-cloning) route...
1. Does the user's present system function without any problems in that the system boots without incident and thereafter functions trouble-free?
2. Is the user sufficiently comfortable with his/her current system that they would have no qualms in creating a bit-for-bit copy of that system transferred to their new drive?
3. Is the disk-capacity of the new drive sufficient to contain the total contents of the drive that they would like to transfer?

If the users' answers to the above are "yes" I would see absolutely no reason why they should not utilize a data-migration (disk-cloning) program to effect the transfer of data.

I would only add that we have undertaken (or helped to perform) dozens of disk-cloning operations relevant to this issue and by & large have experienced no problems in doing so. And more importantly neither have the users experienced any problems. Does a disk-cloning operation go awry for one reason or another at times or is it clear from the results of the disk-cloning operation that a fresh-install of the OS is warranted in a particular situation? Of course. And then we proceed accordingly. But to conclude that it's *always better* to undertake a fresh-install of the OS rather than a disk-cloning data-migration process is absurd in my opinion.

In any event, the choice is the user's.
 

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I didn't mean to ignore the posts made after my last visit here, but I've been occupied with some matters and haven't been able to do the installation yet (I got the SATA cable a week or two ago). I'd been in an accident recently, and the body repair shop had missed some things the first time, so I had to take it back.

As far as the debate in the previous few posts, I feel quite certain I would like to go with the "fresh installation" option. My computer tends to start running slowly and poorly (browser shut-downs, etc.) after several months, so I try to re-install Windows periodically to get rid of any registry problems and whatever junk files (or possibly adware/spyware) that may have accumulated in the system that made it start having so much difficulty. I had heard about this "trick", and it does seem to work - as every time I start "fresh", things do seem to work much faster and better. I have not done it (re-install Windows) in almost a year, so I figure it's about time to do that anyway right now.

Also, I've recently learned that the K-Lite codec pack I had downloaded and installed may be something that causes problems, and that simply uninstalling it may not be effectual. Thus, that is another reason I would want to go with the "fresh installation" option. The downloading and installation of all the programs I use after the "fresh installation" is not really a problem for me. Actually, I went ahead and took the initiative to download all the programs already, so after the drive installation, all I have to do is install them. As for data, I think I mentioned that I store just about everything on external drives and very little on the C drive, so I don't need to do much in terms of data transfer.

I do appreciate your posts and suggestions though, ArtPog.

With any luck, I'll do the solid-state drive installation tomorrow. :)
 

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I got to step 6, but when I tried to install the operating system on the SSD (after connecting the SSD and disconnecting the HD), it wouldn't let me do it. It said:

"Setup was unable to create a new system partition or locate an existing system partition. See the Setup log files for more information."

When I tried it again, it said:

"Windows is unable to install to the selected location. Error: 0x80300001."

Also, when I connected back the HD in order to come here to post this message, I noticed that the SSD was not showing up in Windows Explorer. When I go to the Device Manager, I do see it there, and of course, it showed up in the list of drives when I tried to install Windows... so I'm not sure what's going on?

Can someone tell me what the problem is and what I need to do?

EDIT: Never mind, I looked it up and found another thread in this forum where someone else had a similar problem/question... and it turns out that I simply needed to disconnect the external hard drives when trying to install Windows 7 onto the solid-state drive. I don't really understand why, but that seemed to work.

EDIT #2: After a few missteps like the one mentioned above, I've pretty much finished the installation (currently in the process of formatting the internal hard drive), and everything seems to work fine. Thanks again for your help, entropy4money. :) (This thread can be closed now.)
 

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That's why I told you to unplug the HDD on step 3 :). sda1 is usually your windows booting partition, and if the HDD is plugged then it would interefere with your fresh install. If you unplug it, then windows sees sda1 in the SSD and notices there's no boot partition for windows so it installs it and everything's good :). I am glad it work out, enjoy your SSD.
 

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