I am in need of some final thoughts on my first gaming/editing build!

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I am building a my first PC at a budget. I am a more than casual gamer, but definitely not a professional (I play bf4, bioshock inf., GTA V, want to get into Arma). I also will be using this for editing/ rendering videos from Adobe Premiere. After a few weeks of drafts I have a build I think will do justice, but I need another opinion on somebody less novice as I.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NXXNFT

*I already own a 500GB HDD with Windows 8.1

Thanks!!
 
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For starters, and in order of importance, the power supply. I highly recommend not using a Corsair power supply unless you use one of their high end HX or AX units which are GROSSLY overpriced, and overkill for your rig anyhow. The CX, CS, RM and VS series units are not recommended for use with aftermarket gaming cards OR for overclocking. They use inferior Chinese capacitors (You want a unit with Japanese capacitors) and lousy internal heatsinks. When used with gaming cards or overclocked rigs they rarely last a year.

What you want is anyting listed at tier 1 or tier 2 on the following list, with a capacity of 500w or more. Generally you want the PSU to operate in a range that doesn't exceed 70-80% of the units maximum rated capacity...
It's not terrible, but I see many issues there. What is your actual high end budget? Are you planning to clone the HDD to the SSD? What is the specs for the hardware that HDD was connected to previously? Do you have installation media to reinstall with if necessary or did that drive come out of a prebuilt system where the OS came installed?
 

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I plan on putting my OS + other select games on the SSD and everything else to the HDD. Not 100% on the specs of the hdd other than its western digital.
 
What I mean is, the system the hard drive was installed in, was it a similar Intel chipset to the one you'll be using, or was it older or an AMD build? The reason is that if the chipset was significantly different or was AMD vs Intel, you'll want to reinstall the OS entirely or you'll have a ton of troubles if it even boots the OS.

If they were fairly similar, you can usually get away with not having to reinstall.
 

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Thanks for the heads-up. For the build, you said there were issues? Besides the HDD, what is striking?
 
For starters, and in order of importance, the power supply. I highly recommend not using a Corsair power supply unless you use one of their high end HX or AX units which are GROSSLY overpriced, and overkill for your rig anyhow. The CX, CS, RM and VS series units are not recommended for use with aftermarket gaming cards OR for overclocking. They use inferior Chinese capacitors (You want a unit with Japanese capacitors) and lousy internal heatsinks. When used with gaming cards or overclocked rigs they rarely last a year.

What you want is anyting listed at tier 1 or tier 2 on the following list, with a capacity of 500w or more. Generally you want the PSU to operate in a range that doesn't exceed 70-80% of the units maximum rated capacity. 50-60% is even better. That way the unit will always run cooler than if running at or near capacity, will be quieter as the fans won't be running as fast or as often and will be more efficient as they tend to make better use of the current they draw when in the 60-80% range.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html


Secondly, if you get a board that doesn't already have BIOS version 1205 or newer installed, you'll need to flash the bios before it will recognize the chip. Z87 boards are a bit older chipset and Haswell chips weren't around when they were released. Many of them will already have the necessary bios installed, but if you get one that's been on the shelf for a while, which is very possible since not a lot of z87 boards have been "hot" items since z97 and h97 were released, you might have a problem. If you get a z97 board, it will be supported.

Some boards have a flashback feature, and it looks like that one does, so it might not be an issue at all, but you would have to flash it if it wasn't up to date. I'd just avoid the older chipset and go with z97 that has better support for Haswell by way of bios AND motherboard component selection. Plus, Z87 boards won't support the upcoming Broadwell cpus, so there's not much in the way of an upgrade path with an 8 series board. All of the 9 series boards, z97 and h97, are supposed to support the Intel Broadwell CPU when it's released so you'd have somewhere to go if you decided to upgrade later but didn't want to have to replace the motherboard to do so.

Sapphire makes better AMD cards, period. MSI has really good NVidia based cards but their AMD cards are, to my experience, problematic. This is more of a personal recommendation, but after 400+ builds, it's based on some experience.

The Kingston V300 SSDnow drives have a controversial history and are best avoided. There are much better choices for a not that much larger investment.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ssdnow-v300-a-switch-to-slower-micron-nand


Those are all things to think about, but if I knew your max budget I'd be happy to help with configuring a build that fits the budget, your expectations and includes what I feel are the best components that can be had within that budget, and don't have quality or performance issues.
 
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Those are all things to think about, but if I knew your max budget I'd be happy to help with configuring a build that fits the budget, your expectations and includes what I feel are the best components that can be had within that budget, and don't have quality or performance issues.

This is all incredibly helpful. Here's an updated version, with a changed video card (I was told that basically are the same one is simply cheaper), and changed mobo. I am trying to stay below $600 becasue I have already purchased my external and internal HDDs.

WD RE4 2TB 64MB Cache 7200RPM SATA3.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Hard Drive


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($51.49 @ Newegg)
Total: $552.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-22 11:07 EDT-0400
 
You do realize that price is WITH rebates included? Without rebates it looks like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($71.49 @ Newegg)
Total: $591.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-22 23:00 EDT-0400




It looks much better than before, but you've still got that crappy Corsair PSU in there. I think if you go this way, with a VERY good EVGA B2 series PSU, you'll be a heck of a lot happier in the long and short, run.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($58.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $594.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-22 23:06 EDT-0400
 
I think I'd at least consider this case over the Redbone too. I've built with the Redbone before and it's not going to make you very happy when you start building with it, nor is it going to make you any happier down the road if you try to optimize things. This case at least has a few extra features and cooling options. I didn't check that your GPU length would fit either of these cases either, so you might want to double check that just to make sure.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/enermax-case-eca3253bw
 

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So here's the set-up you gave me with the changed case, however, I found a cheaper PSU that I think will be quite sufficient.
[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gyF9Q7) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gyF9Q7/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
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**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54440) | $163.95 @ SuperBiiz
**Motherboard** | [ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97anniversary) | $71.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Memory** | [G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbxl) | $63.99 @ Newegg
**Video Card** | [XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280atdbd) | $159.99 @ Newegg
**Case** | [Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/enermax-case-eca3253bw) | $39.99 @ Directron
**Power Supply** | [EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr) | $64.99 @ NCIX US
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $604.90
| Mail-in rebates | -$40.00
| **Total** | **$564.90**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-04-23 00:05 EDT-0400 |


Of this set-up, what would you see as its longevity (year) and what would be the first thing I would ultimately need to upgrade in order to stay current with newer games?
Thanks
 

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gyF9Q7
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gyF9Q7/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $564.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-23 00:10 EDT-0400

After researching the case a little bit, I notice that my video card will be longer than can fit, however there is a removable HDD slot to fit it. This, sadly lowers my HDD space. Do you think that is a big deal?
 
Nope, you don't want that PSU either. If you're going with an EVGA unit you want a B2, G2 or P2 series unit. The B1, W1 and G1 NEX Supernova units are made by an entirely different manufacturer than the first group which are all made by Superflower, arguably the #1 manufacturer of high quality PSUs in the world. That unit you picked is a Tier 3 unit just like the Corsair CX, CS, RM and VS and also use cheap internal components and cut corners on build quality. To clarify, any of those will work. They WILL power the card. But they won't last long at all when used under the stresses that a gaming card places on them. For office and mainstream machines they're fine. I wouldn't use one in higher end rig like the one you're assembling though. Clearly that's your choice but consider yourself informed on that issue so you can't feel bad in year when you have to buy another one and possibly replace the card or other hardware it might take out with it.

The HDD space shouldn't be a big deal unless you plan to have a lot of drives installed. Even with those removed you should still be able to fit at least two and probably more like 4 drives in there.
 

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[/quotemsg]The HDD space shouldn't be a big deal unless you plan to have a lot of drives installed. Even with those removed you should still be able to fit at least two and probably more like 4 drives in there.[/quotemsg]

Ta-da!
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/v7pLBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/v7pLBm/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($163.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $559.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-23 00:49 EDT-0400
 

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You ave been so incredibly helpful. This is my first time using toms and I know I'll be coming back! I bought all the parts yesterday and am getting excited. You're a gentleman and a scholar.