Flickering/bad anti-aliasing in entire household

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Now before I begin I should say that I've been trying to research and resolve this problem since the first week of November last year, when it seemed to suddenly start, and hasn't stopped since.

Basically, every video game I play on any platform in my house has very distracting and annoying flickering with lines/sharp edges/foliage/grass when they or the camera moves, almost as though anti-aliasing isn't functioning at all. Before I go into more detail I will give a link to an example that shows what I mean, a recording of the GTA V PC benchmark test. I chose this because it's a recent title, I'm using the AMD updated GTA V optimized drivers for my graphics card (full specs below, but as I say it's not just limited to this PC), and there are a few segments where it clearly demonstrates the problem.

Ignore the FPS, as this was recorded purely to show the issue I am having. I would also highly recommend watching it in 1080p as it makes it a lot clearer.
Pay close attention to:

  • The edges of the warehouses behind Franklin's house (0:41 - 0:51)
    The satellite/radio towers in the background (1:04 - 1:08)
    The railings on the railway bridge (1:54 - 2:02)
    Road markings in the middle of the intersection (3:04 - 3:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8qzHuYMyR0
These are just a few examples that are relatively easy to spot in a compressed YouTube video. It's VERY prevalent and distracting when playing, and is very noticeable. Please read the rest of this post before watching the video and responding with "turn MSAA on" or "probably faulty GPU". I will explain why I don't believe this is the problem later. I'd be very happy to give more examples via screenshots or recordings if needed.

As you can see, the problem SEEMS to be with anti-aliasing, with edges appearing jagged and blocky. This is true to an extent, with high levels of MSAA either through the game itself or CCC often somewhat masking the problem to make a game playable, however it is not possible for me to crank my MSAA up to 8x or 16x on most new games, and I never needed to do that before this problem began suddenly in November. The issue is most noticeable on objects in the mid/background, and tend to be less noticeable the closer they are.

My current PC setup is as follows

Windows 7 64-bit
Intel i5 760 @ 4.01ghz
Sapphire R9 280X 3GB
Asus P7P55D-E LX
16GB DDR3 RAM
2 x 128GB Sandisk SSD
2 x 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 HDD

However as mentioned before, I don't believe this is directly a problem with my PC. This is because the issue is also obvious on my brother's PC, in the same house, who runs an entire different setup to me, and Windows 7 32-bit. And here's the really strange part; it also affects our two Xbox 360's, and our PS4 that was purchasing in January (2 months after the issue began for us). I can also notice it when watching sports/TV, to a lesser extent, which I assume is due to the lower resolution. Strangely, it doesn't seem to happen on games played via mobile devices such as iPhone or iPad.

Here is the basic mental steps I've taken since November in trying to figure this out;
1) Problem started, assumed it was a problem with the game I was playing on my PC, re-installed, also re-installed fresh drivers
2) Began to believe my graphics card was faulty, tested a spare nVidia GTX 560ti I had lying around, the problem is still there
3) Believed that another component in my PC was faulty, tested both graphics cards in my brother's PC, the problem still existed, as well as on his own card
4) Replaced my motherboard and CPU, with multiple configurations of graphics cards
5) Changed DVI cable
6) Used a different monitor from within the house
7) Used a different power outlet and power cable
8) Tried a brand new monitor
9) Connected PC to living room TV via HDMI
10) Noticed that it was happening on our Xbox 360 as well
11) Bought our PS4 in January, issue occured, less noticeable than on Xbox 360
12) Began to believe it was somehow a problem with the electrics in our house
13) Coincidentally, we moved house in February to a nearby suburb, didn't solve anything
14) Ran out of ideas, once again tried different combinations of cables and reinstalled software multiple times
15) Built a PC for my cousin from scratch, in my house, with brand new parts. Problem STILL occured

This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. I'm certain I've tried many more things to try and resolve this. At this point I'm almost convinced there's some sort of electrical problem, but I have no idea what (maybe something faulty that has been connected at both houses?). I finally bit the bullet and decided to make this thread as I'm at my wit's end, and and hoping this is a problem somebody on the internet has encountered before, and knows how to resolve.

Thanks.


 

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tway101

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At this point I'm not far off believing that.
I even began to believe there was something wrong with my eyes, at one point, until others confirmed they could see it as well.
 
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It is nothing to be worried about. That is just how it is. I looked up pics of the benchmark and they all show the same thing that is in the video. You stated that it even occurs on the Xbox 360 as well. FXAA helps a little, but to potentially get rid of the "problem" you will have to get into things like supersampling combined with high levels of MSAA even then it might not make any difference.

I could be wrong but I think it has something to do with transparent textures at a distance. I know Nvidia has an option for that but as AMD gfx card owners there is little we can do about it.

 

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I'm very confident it's not a case of "that's just the way it is". There was a very sudden and obvious change after restarting my PC and playing Skyrim about 6 months ago. I began noticing things such as snow on the mountains, trees and grass flickering and shimmering as the camera panned or I moved. It was ABSOLUTELY not like that before, and I was running high degrees of AA in the first place. I initially assumed it was a corrupt game install or faulty drivers, and it snowballed from there and has never gone away. Judging by some research I've done into others who seem to have the same problem (with no clear solution, by the way), it appears as though unless you have the specific problem, you cannot actually see it in a YouTube video playback. As I said earlier, the problem doesn't just affect games but gameplay videos on YouTube or other videos. This fact, and the fact it seems that nobody else can see it, is why I was starting to lean towards some kind of electrical interference (affecting displays?).

I have been playing video games for over 20 years, most of that on PC, and I'm well aware of aliasing and how anti-aliasing helps disguise jaggies and edges, and until 6 months ago, I NEVER noticed this problem before. It honestly makes most games unplayable unless I'm able to crank up adaptive MSAA to 8x or supersampling. It got less to do with the edges and "jaggies" themselves, but the fact that whenever the camera/player moves, said jaggies flicker and shimmer. I guess it's difficult to explain or give examples when it's quite possible you cannot even see the problem in any videos I post, simply because you don't have the problem yourself.

I did a bit more research over the past couple days and found some people on various sites who seem to be reporting the same problem as me, identical in every single detail. Some of them include video examples of the problem, and I can clearly see it, whereas there are some replies of "I dont see it" or "It's just aliasing", which is why I mentioned above it could be a case of having the problem before you can actually see it in a video.

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/291505-textures-shimmeringflickering/
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6122_102-592210/flickering-shimmering-edges-on-all-games-please-help-me/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlg4C0_3fUM
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1668005/edges-flickering-shimmering-games.html

I don't mean to sound agitated but I'm a fairly computer savvy and intelligent guy and I've been giving myself stress headaches trying to work this out for the past 6 months to no avail, so I do get frustrated when someone tells me that it's "just the way it is". Unless we all have the same unknown eye condition, or had a stroke and are unaware of it, there's something fishy going on.

Thanks for the help, though.
 

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Here's another example video, recorded externally. Unfortunately the only camera I have is the mediocre one in my iPhone, however pay attention to things in the distance like stairs, fences/railings and road markings at intersections and you should be able to somewhat see what I am talking about. I must say that it is MUCH more noticeable and annoying when viewing it in real-time with your own eyes, though. This is just a way to give an idea exactly what the problem is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-2nxvXSGM
 
You can see it in the first video.

So lets go over this again. You changed pretty much everything in your rig, you moved, happens on consoles. And you still think it is some strange interference that is only affecting you. All you have to do is go watch some HD vids from unrelated people even in different countries and you will see (and I have looked at other GTA V benchmark vids to confirm and ran it myself) it is there as well.

After all that if you still feel it is some strange electrical issue only affecting you, you may want to see a therapist to further diagnose your issue.
 

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I'll be sure to arrange appointments for the dozen or so other people who have visited my house over the past 6 months and have pointed it out without being persuaded, and the people from the links I posted previously who've reported the same issue.
I understand you've clearly gained an identity on here and an ego in terms of giving advice, but I don't see the use in getting extremely defensive and rude when you (falsely) try to diagnose a problem you've clearly not seen before or understand. It doesn't help anyone.

If I watch said HD videos on a mobile device such as a tablet, in 1080p, the footage looks typical. Depending on the AA settings of the user doing the recording, the gameplay looks how it should. However, when I watch the same footage on a PC connected in my household, the problem is sometimes noticeable, although to a lesser degree than it would be if I were playing the game myself. Keep in mind also that it's absolutely not just confined to GTA V, but since it's the game I've been playing recently it's where I've taken the footage from.

I'm well aware of how a game should look at different AA levels, and have played hundreds of them over the past 20 years. This is not "normal", and if you don't know what is causing the issue or how it's resolved (which you clearly don't), I don't see the point in replying at all.
 
With no evidence of anything wrong how can anybody help you? You posted two videos and stated that it isn't visible in ether one. Since it isn't happening locally on your PC that leaves only one option, your monitor (that was replaced). However the second video is taken by an external camera ruling out the monitor as the culprit.

So there are 2 possible outcomes. The issue occurs at such a fine detail level you can't see it in the second video or there is a problem with the observer.

In the first case reset the monitor and your TV to defaults. The 'sharpness' controls on some monitors are known to cause artifacts, make sure it is off. In the second case it sounds like a neurological problem like a form of epilepsy or seeing auras.
 

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I disable almost all extra sharpness effects/noise reduction/extra effects on all monitors/TVs I buy for this very reason. I've also tried playing around with turning various settings on to see if they are the culprit but to no avail.

You posted two videos and stated that it isn't visible in ether one.
It is visible in the 2nd video, however far less obviously than it is in person. I would assume it has something to do with the lower resolution and framerate. At around 0:28 when Franklin is stealing the car, take note of the building with the orange roof in the distance on the right. The join between the roof and the wall flickers white. It's also noticeable as the car drives towards it, as are the edges of the flower beds at the base of the building. There are other small examples I could pick up in the recorded footage as well, but this is the most prolonged one. Once again it is MUCH worse when playing it myself, and affects most street signs, road markings, buildings and cars more than 20 feet from the camera.

I've been focusing on and trying to solve this problem for 6 months now so I admit it's probably a lot easier for me to pick up such things in footage/gameplay, but that's the best I could come up with as a video example of the problem. The whole point of the long and detailed OP was to try and verbally explain the situation as best as possible, in case someone with knowledge of it knows how to resolve it, and that someone clearly doesn't seem to be you.

Again, good intent but this advice isn't helpful in this case and (the last sentence in particular) largely comes across as very defensive and egotistical because somebody let you know that your initial advice wasn't helpful.

You can't solve them all, but thanks for trying.
 

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Here's a thought. Do you have speakers near the display? The strong magnets in speakers can cause a lot of problems with all sorts of displays, and that would explain why different devices/components all have the same issue. Seems related to the display itself, if you ask me.
 


You can't just assume someone is being an asshole by reading alone. The suggestion is legitimate. I told you I seen what you were talking about and you rejected it for whatever reason. Why don't you get a high quality image and mark the areas clearly. If it isn't the extreme aliasing or the flickering textures in the intersections, then what is it?

The only reason I continue to ask for more information is out of curiosity. I can assure you electrical interference does not just happen to affect consoles and PC's with different hardware in such a way the causes the exact same problem to occur. EMI has to be extremely powerful to have any effect on modern hardware at all.
 

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Dude, he isn't just imagining it. It is happening to me too. I moved two weeks ago and I suddenly started noticing the same thing as well. I figure it has to be my PC (not the monitor) because I tested it on my LCD TV and it was happening there too (unless it is some electrical issue which was my first guess). The game it most noticably happens on is Dragon Age Inquisition (though it is fairly bad in GW2). It is some weird flickering around geometric objects. It is almost like aliasing but weird. It gives me the impression that 3d image is being rendered at a lower resolution than what my monitor can display. It all affects 3D stuff though. 2D stuff looks pretty much fine.

Another thing I strongly suspect is something software related. I think the very day I was to move I downloaded Elite Dangerous patch 1.3 (powerplay) and I noticed playing it that it was really weird looking. I usually get sub 60fps but that day it was blistering along at max fps (to my eyes). Also the graphics seemed to have taken a nose dive. "Okay" I thought, "They've reduce the visuals to improve performance" and I didn't think about it again. It wasn't until played it again after I moved that I drew the connection that those changes were mirrored in other games. Part of what makes me think it is a software issue is that after reinstalling windows (upgrading it to the same version, rather) and installing monitor drivers and maybe a few other tweaks (messing with CCC) things markedly improved. It is still bad though (but better). I also cleaned out my computer with a machine blower (for some reason I first used my mouth to blow at the GPU vents which introduced a flickering issue when I log into windows).
 

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Yeah I have this exact problem on EVERY monitor wether it is a console that I use or my PC. And by any monitor I mean TVs as well. I'm very sure that it looked very smooth and not jaggy on my 1600x900 but now it looks like this: http://m.imgur.com/2kpn2xg even on my new monitor I got a few weeks ago. You can clearly see in the picture how big and jaggy the pixels are, they're not even supposed to be that visible from 1 meter.
 

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He's not making this up. Have a look at my video and watch it in HD, keep yours eyes on the trees.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TyT8qsmaNo"][/video]

I have been searching the internet for well over 12months because of this and nobody knows what it is or how to fix it. I have read on forums some peope solved it by buying a new part or a new tv but for me it just wont end. I read on a forum a guy bought a UPS for the power theory and it helped him. I read on the forum its the brand of the tv (cheap panel). Some guy said its a virus that attaches itself to your email etc etc.

This is what i do everyday, i dont play any games any more i just search the internet on how to fix this problem. The crazy thing is im starting to see it on my window phone, so maybe it is a virus grrrrrrrrrr. Somebody please help.....
 

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I don't even mind anymore, I've almost completely lost the desire to even start up my pc. But I went to get my eyes checked and it turns out I'm nearsighted. I'll be using contacts and when I'm on my computer or whatever I'll use glasses. I think this might be the cause of the sudden step down in quality from what I was used to seeing. I'll tell you if that has been my problem once I've tried it out.
 
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